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|    Responding To Colin Powell (1/3)    |
|    19 Mar 06 18:09:53    |
      XPost: uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.british, alt.conspiracy.princess-diana       XPost: alt.conspiracy, alt.conspiracy.new-world-order, alt.america       XPost: us.politics       From: oO@oO.com               Responding To Colin Powell               by Rahul Mahajan; February 06, 2003               By If one believes everything Colin Powell said to the Security Council       yesterday, one's first response ought to be that there's no reason to fight       a war, since U.S. surveillance capabilities are so awesome that Iraq's       weapons of mass destruction (WMD) can easily be found. And one's first       question should be why has the United States for over two months withheld       this apparently so damaging evidence from those weapons inspectors, who       could have verified conjectures and destroyed WMD stocks and production       facilities.               If indeed the evidence presented is of the character claimed by Powell,       then the United States has chosen to sabotage UN Security Council Resolution       1441, clause 10 of which "Requests all Member States to give full support to       UNMOVIC and the IAEA in the discharge of their mandates, including by       providing any information related to prohibited programmes."               The actual evidence may not even warrant that conclusion. What Powell       served up to the Council was a sorry mess of fuzzy aerial photographs of       buildings, a cute "organizational chart" of supposed al-Qaeda operations in       Iraq, a couple of tape recordings that are capable of multiple       interpretations and, as before, a large number of undated reports by unnamed       Iraqi defectors.               Given the history of U.S. government use of disinformation to drum up       support for war, from relatively subtle measures like doctoring satellite       photos to convince the Saudi government that Iraq was massing troops for an       invasion of Saudi Arabia in 1990 to incredibly crude ones like the       continuing claims by officials from George W. Bush on down that Iraq       "expelled" weapons inspectors in 1998 (as covered in the press at the time,       the inspectors were withdrawn at the behest of the United States), a skeptic       need not actually accept any of the evidence as presented. Even so, it's       useful to go through it.               Evidence about Iraq and al-Qaeda               The weakest part of the whole presentation, and the most important, was       the claims trying to link Iraq with al-Qaeda operations. In the past, the       link depended on the claims about one man, Mohammed Atta, meeting with Iraqi       intelligence in Prague (we've since found out that he was almost certainly       in the United States at the time of the alleged meeting); now it depends on       one man, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.               Al-Zarqawi is apparently a high-level operative of an Islamist group       called Ansar al-Islam, which is operating in northern Iraq (currently an       autonomous region with a provisional Kurdish government that is aligned with       the United States). Although there is no evident link between this       organization and the Government of Iraq (GOI), Powell claims that the GOI       has a high-level agent in Ansar, who "offered al-Qaida safe haven" -       although apparently few if any accepted the offer, since the supposed       presence is in the part of Iraq not controlled by the GOI. The full extent       of the connection between al-Zarqawi himself and the GOI is apparently that       he got medical care in a hospital in Baghdad, hardly an indication of       high-level Iraqi complicity in terrorist attacks against American targets.               There is no attempt to link Ansar itself to the 9/11 attacks. In fact,       while apparently the mere presence of al-Zarqawi, a subordinate in Ansar, in       Iraq is sufficient reason for war, the head of Ansar, known as Mullah       Krekar, is living unmolested in Norway, and the United States has not even       made an extradition request. Krekar denies any connection of Ansar with       al-Qaeda.               Powell also claims that one al-Qaeda detainee has told them that Iraq       provided information about biological and chemical weapons to al-Qaeda       members. Given the condition al-Qaeda detainees are being held in and the       obvious incentives for them to tell a story the U.S. government wants to       hear, this is very far from being actual evidence. The claim also flies in       the face of common sense. Saddam Hussein has always been seen by al-Qaeda as       an enemy and has himself seen Islamists as the biggest internal threat to       his rule. To give them the ability to make chemical or biological weapons,       weapons he sees as essential to the survival of his regime (many analysts       think the primary reason the United States didn't implement "regime change"       in 1991 was the threat that the GOI would use its stocks of chemical weapons       in self-defense), potentially destabilizes his own rule.               Evidence about Iraq's WMD               The heart of the presentation, however, was claims about Iraq's violation       of UNSCR 1441 and about its attempts to acquire WMD. This included evidence       like a photograph of a shed and a truck next to a bunker, followed by a       claim that such a configuration of truck and shed (the truck is apparently a       "decontamination" truck) is an infallible indicator that the bunker has       chemical weapons in it, and even a photograph of what an Iraqi UAV (unmanned       aerial vehicle) "would look like."               Powell claimed that Iraq was reviving attempts to acquire a nuclear       weapon, telling us that two out of three elements were in hand. The third       element, fissile material, is and has always been the stumbling block.       According to Powell, "we have more than a decade of proof that he [Hussein]       remains determined to acquire nuclear weapons," but no acknowledgment that       in more than a decade he has been entirely unable to do so.               Nor was there acknowledgment of the assessment that Mohammed el-Baradei,       chief of the IAEA team charged with Iraq's nuclear disarmament, delivered to       the Council:               "No evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities S       has been detected to dateS Nor have the inspections thus far revealed signs       of new nuclear facilities or direct support to any nuclear activity. The       IAEA expects to be able, within the next few months, barring exceptional       circumstances and provided there is sustained proactive cooperation by Iraq,       to provide credible assurance that Iraq has no nuclear weapons programme."               He also resurrected claims that Iraq's attempts to acquire certain       aluminum tubes show that it is trying to make centrifuges for production of       fissile material, disputing the IAEA's conclusion that those tubes are       better suited to conventional artillery.               Most of the other "evidence" was unsourced or from one of the legion of       defectors that has always conveniently cropped up when the United States has       needed them.               The most compelling evidence was audio recordings of two conversations       apparently showing Iraqi attempts to conceal evidence from inspectors. It's       not possible to know whether the tapes are real, whether they are recent or       from the previous inspection regime, or what exactly they are referring to.              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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