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|    23 Mar 06 22:00:06    |
      XPost: uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.british, alt.conspiracy.princess-diana       XPost: alt.conspiracy, alt.conspiracy.new-world-order, alt.america       XPost: us.politics       From: oO@oO.com              Iraqi civilian deaths shrouded in secrecy        By David Gritten        BBC News website                     Recent figures from the campaign group Iraq Body Count put the minimum       number of civilians killed in Iraq since the US-led invasion three years ago       at between 33,710 and 37,832.              Although many of those deaths were caused by insurgent attacks,       multi-national forces stationed in Iraq ostensibly to protect the population       have been responsible for a significant number post-invasion.                     Hundreds of civilians have been killed during major offensives by US-led       forces against insurgents in cities such as Falluja, and many others have       died after lethal force was used at military checkpoints.              Military commanders have said those killed were "collateral damage" or the       unfortunate victims of "crossfire" between their troops and militants.              But the announcement that US military investigators have flown to Iraq to       study allegations that their troops deliberately shot dead at least 15       civilians in Anbar Province in November has cast doubt on some of those       claims.              'Riddled with bullets'              A US statement at the time said the civilians, including seven women and       three children, died in a roadside bomb explosion that also killed a marine       in the western town of Haditha.              But survivors and those who saw the bodies said the account was not true.                     "Their bodies were riddled with bullets, there was evidence that there had       been gunfire inside their homes, there were blood spatters inside their       homes," Bobby Ghosh, a journalist who took up the case for Time magazine,       told the BBC.              "It was quite clear that these people were killed indoors, which couldn't       possibly have happened if they'd been involved in a roadside blast."              An initial military inquiry found the two families had indeed been shot dead       in their homes by the marines, but it described the deaths as "collateral       damage".              The report has now prompted the US Naval Criminal Investigation Service       (NCIS) to determine the motives behind the killing.              The NCIS will have to decide whether the civilians were killed by accident       or were targeted by the marines as an act of revenge in a potential war       crime.              Several American veterans of the war in Iraq have told the BBC's Newsnight       programme that the marines' reaction to the roadside bomb attack in Haditha       was not an isolated incident.              Specialist Michael Blake, who served in Balad, said it was common practice       to "shoot up the landscape or anything that moved" after an explosion.              'Common practice'              Another veteran, Specialist Jody Casey, who was a scout sniper in Baquba,       said he had also seen innocent civilians being killed.              Bombs "go off and you just zap any farmer that's close to you", he said.                      At that time, when we first got down there, you could basically kill       anyone you wanted        Specialist Jody Casey              Mr Casey said he did not take part in any atrocities himself, but was       advised to always carry a shovel. He could then plant this on any civilian       victims to make it look as though they were digging roadside bombs.              The US and British governments say the fact the allegations are being       investigated at all shows that progress has been made in Iraq.              UK International Development Minister Hilary Benn welcomed the inquiry and       said it was important that the perpetrators were being brought to justice.              "The big difference between now and the 30 years that people endured under       Saddam is that when things happened nobody was called to account, there was       no due process," he said.              'Secrecy'              Although human rights groups have also welcomed the launch of the inquiry,       they are quick to point out that the multi-national forces have investigated       only a minority of the reports alleging the unlawful or deliberate killing       of Iraqi civilians.                      Whether the investigations are civilian or led by the judiciary, the       most important thing is for it to be independent, impartial and transparent        Nicole Choueiry              Nicole Choueiry, a spokeswoman for Amnesty International, told the BBC News       website that those investigations which had taken place had often been       inadequate and shrouded in secrecy.              The victims' families are also often unaware of how to apply for       compensation.              There are no governmental or judicial bodies in Iraq to investigate human       rights violations and the activities of international groups such as Amnesty       and Human Rights Watch have been limited by the deteriorating security       situation.              Ms Choueiry believes an official body needs to be set up to ensure       multi-national troops fulfil their mission while abiding by international       humanitarian and human rights law.              "Whether the investigations are civilian or led by the judiciary, the most       important thing is for them to be independent, impartial and transparent,"       she said.              Immunity              But the effectiveness of such an organisation would be severely restricted       by an order originally issued by the Coalition Provisional Authority, and       renewed by the Iraqi government in 2004, that grants foreign forces immunity       from Iraqi criminal and civil law.                      The protection of the fourth Geneva Convention means nothing if the       military does not investigate the crime        Phil Shiner              Instead, the troops remain subject solely to the jurisdiction of their own       states.              The US and UK have been accused of limiting the number and power of criminal       prosecutions - in January, a US officer was punished with a reprimand and a       $6,000 fine for killing a captured Iraqi general - or simply not undertaking       them at all.              No prosecution was launched after a US marine was filmed shooting dead an       incapacitated insurgent in a mosque in Falluja in November 2004.              Phil Shiner, a solicitor representing several Iraqi families taking the       British government to court over human rights violations, told the BBC News       website the small chance of anything being investigated effectively makes       redundant the fourth Geneva Convention, which protects civilians in times of       war or under occupation by a foreign power.              "The protection of the fourth Geneva Convention means nothing if the       military does not investigate the crime," he said.              Mr Shiner has challenged the immunity of British troops in Iraq and their       right to run their own investigations by arguing that European human rights       law applied during their operations.              The UK High Court ruled in December that the British government would have       to hold an "independent and effective" inquiry into the death of a man from       Basra, Baha Mousa, because he died while in British custody.              Although the High Court also said it would be "premature" to conclude the       British government was in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights       before the outcome of the ministry's own investigation was known, such a              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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