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   From: RHBIYDTNPPAX@spammotel.com   
      
   On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:38:31 -0400  'Mrs Ken Ehrett'   
   posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
      
   >On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:56:42 +0100, hummingbird   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:14:10 -0400  'Mrs Ken Ehrett'   
   >>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >>   
   >>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:31:54 +0100, hummingbird   
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:27:13 -0400  'Mrs Ken Ehrett'   
   >>>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:27:48 +0100, hummingbird   
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On 25 Jul 2006 22:12:34 GMT  'Bert Hyman'   
   >>>>>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>In news:l9lbc2t03pg6p5ppavp6t71acjtselggbg@4ax.com hummingbird   
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> In reality what you are seeing is Israel seeking vengeance, nothing   
   >>>>>>>> more.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Against Hizballah,   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Not so. The Israelis fired the first shot in this war and are now   
   >>>>>>imposing collective punishment onto civilians incl women and children.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Clearly you think Hezbollah has the right to grab Israeli soldiers and   
   >>>>>Israel is just supposed to accept it.   Tough cookies and all that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>No, I do not think that. Pity you can only see two extreme options.   
   >>>   
   >>>>The issue is what sort of response from Israel would have been most   
   >>>>effective, not only in securing release of their two soldiers but also   
   >>>>with an eye on the longer term. Bear in mind that what Hezbolloh   
   >>>>wanted is to use the captives as negotiating chips to secure release   
   >>>>of their own people held by Israel - many more in number.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I bet that by launching a massive bombing campaign to kill hundreds   
   >>>>of innocent women/kids and causing huge destruction, Israel has not   
   >>>>only lessened the chances of soldier release but also created a lot   
   >>>>more hatred - and therefore future terrorism - against itself. Is   
   >>>>that a good policy?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Fact is that bombing will not solve the current problem.   
   >>>   
   >>>Killing all of Hezbollah will solve a lot of the current problems in   
   >>>the middle east   
   >>   
   >>Dream on dreamer. That will never happen.   
   >   
   >You believe there will never be peace in the middle east?  I agree. At   
   >least there will never be a lasting peace as long as there are Moslems   
   >who want to eliminate Israel.   
      
   Why do you think that is?   
      
   >If it weren't for oil, the rest of the world wouldn't care if they   
   >choose to live in the 7th Century.   
      
   I don't accept that Moslems choose to live in the 7th century but   
   it doesn't concern me anyway. Why does it concern you so much?   
      
   >>> and Israel might well go through Damascus to get the   
   >>>job done.   
   >>   
   >>You need to explain this.   
   >   
   >Huh?   Where do you think the rockets falling on Israel are coming   
   >from, the rocket fairy?   Syria is funneling the rockets from Iran to   
   >Hezzbollah.    Cut off the re-supply train.   
      
   You still haven't explained your previous comment:   
   "Israel might well go through Damascus to get the job done"   
      
   Are you in fact advocating that Israel attacks Syria?   
      
   >>>>>>That is immoral and clearly against international law.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>What does International Law say about kidnapping people from their own   
   >>>>>country?   Tough cookies there too?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Israel is equally guilty of such actions as its adversaries. Let's not   
   >>>>forget that Israel has been conducting a political assassination   
   >>>>policy for several years - quaintly described as *targeted killings*.   
   >>>   
   >>>Good.   When their sworn enemies are bent on the total destruction of   
   >>>Israel the only response of the Israelis should be total extermination   
   >>>of the threat.   
   >>>   
   >>>I guess we disagree, bird.   :)   
   >>   
   >>No, you just don't understand reality. Too bad deary. Keep dreaming.   
   >   
   >I've given you reality.  You want to see the world though rose colored   
   >glasses.   
      
   Transference. It is you who lives in a dream world.   
   It could not be farther from the truth as far as I'm concerned.   
      
   >deary?   Are you going for intimidating or stupid?   
      
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