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   From: yanks@olg.com   
      
   On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:55:14 +0100, hummingbird   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:38:31 -0400  'Mrs Ken Ehrett'   
   >posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >   
   >>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:56:42 +0100, hummingbird   
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:14:10 -0400  'Mrs Ken Ehrett'   
   >>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:31:54 +0100, hummingbird   
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:27:13 -0400  'Mrs Ken Ehrett'   
   >>>>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:27:48 +0100, hummingbird   
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On 25 Jul 2006 22:12:34 GMT  'Bert Hyman'   
   >>>>>>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>In news:l9lbc2t03pg6p5ppavp6t71acjtselggbg@4ax.com hummingbird   
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> In reality what you are seeing is Israel seeking vengeance, nothing   
   >>>>>>>>> more.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Against Hizballah,   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Not so. The Israelis fired the first shot in this war and are now   
   >>>>>>>imposing collective punishment onto civilians incl women and children.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Clearly you think Hezbollah has the right to grab Israeli soldiers and   
   >>>>>>Israel is just supposed to accept it.   Tough cookies and all that.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>No, I do not think that. Pity you can only see two extreme options.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>The issue is what sort of response from Israel would have been most   
   >>>>>effective, not only in securing release of their two soldiers but also   
   >>>>>with an eye on the longer term. Bear in mind that what Hezbolloh   
   >>>>>wanted is to use the captives as negotiating chips to secure release   
   >>>>>of their own people held by Israel - many more in number.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>I bet that by launching a massive bombing campaign to kill hundreds   
   >>>>>of innocent women/kids and causing huge destruction, Israel has not   
   >>>>>only lessened the chances of soldier release but also created a lot   
   >>>>>more hatred - and therefore future terrorism - against itself. Is   
   >>>>>that a good policy?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Fact is that bombing will not solve the current problem.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Killing all of Hezbollah will solve a lot of the current problems in   
   >>>>the middle east   
   >>>   
   >>>Dream on dreamer. That will never happen.   
   >>   
   >>You believe there will never be peace in the middle east?  I agree. At   
   >>least there will never be a lasting peace as long as there are Moslems   
   >>who want to eliminate Israel.   
   >   
   >Why do you think that is?   
      
   They hate Israel and the Jews.   
      
   >>If it weren't for oil, the rest of the world wouldn't care if they   
   >>choose to live in the 7th Century.   
   >   
   >I don't accept that Moslems choose to live in the 7th century but   
   >it doesn't concern me anyway. Why does it concern you so much?   
      
   It doesn't concern me.  I'd like to see them bombed back into the   
   stone age.  And if it weren't for oil they might have been already.   
      
   >>>> and Israel might well go through Damascus to get the   
   >>>>job done.   
   >>>   
   >>>You need to explain this.   
   >>   
   >>Huh?   Where do you think the rockets falling on Israel are coming   
   >>from, the rocket fairy?   Syria is funneling the rockets from Iran to   
   >>Hezzbollah.    Cut off the re-supply train.   
   >   
   >You still haven't explained your previous comment:   
   >"Israel might well go through Damascus to get the job done"   
      
   Read three lines up to the last paragraph.   
      
   >Are you in fact advocating that Israel attacks Syria?   
      
   If necessary, yes.   
      
   >>>>>>>That is immoral and clearly against international law.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>What does International Law say about kidnapping people from their own   
   >>>>>>country?   Tough cookies there too?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Israel is equally guilty of such actions as its adversaries. Let's not   
   >>>>>forget that Israel has been conducting a political assassination   
   >>>>>policy for several years - quaintly described as *targeted killings*.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Good.   When their sworn enemies are bent on the total destruction of   
   >>>>Israel the only response of the Israelis should be total extermination   
   >>>>of the threat.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I guess we disagree, bird.   :)   
   >>>   
   >>>No, you just don't understand reality. Too bad deary. Keep dreaming.   
   >>   
   >>I've given you reality.  You want to see the world though rose colored   
   >>glasses.   
   >   
   >Transference. It is you who lives in a dream world.   
   >It could not be farther from the truth as far as I'm concerned.   
      
   Again bird, history will tell which of us was right.   
      
   >>deary?   Are you going for intimidating or stupid?   
      
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