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   From: yanks@olg.com   
      
   On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:58:27 +0100, hummingbird   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:48:22 +0100  'N'   
   >posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >   
   >>Of the 400 or so killed on the Lebonese side, I understand only about 40 or   
   >>so Hezbollah were killed. So in seeking your extermination of a threat you   
   >>think it right that thousands of innocents will be killed too?   
   >>And what of the families of those killed - you expect them to say "Ok, my   
   >>wife/husband/parents/children were killed but it was for a good cause.". No,   
   >>they will foster more hatred and this in turn will lead to future violence.   
   >>I hope you one day experience the "terror" currently being inflicted on   
   >>thousands of civilians and then perhaps you will be less ready to wave the   
   >>flag for bombing raids and killing children.   
   >   
   >I'm afraid that fools like "Mrs Ken Ehrett" simply don't understand   
   >the real world. Better they stay in their armchairs.   
      
   I understand it far better than you know Bird, but again we will agree   
   to disagree and time will see which of us was correct in our   
   respective assessments.   
      
      
   >   
   >>(please don't come back with the "Israelis dying" crap either - of the 40   
   >>odd Israeli deaths so far, only 17 have been civilian. Israel could kill   
   >>that many Palestinians on a family trip to the beach and not even   
   >>appologise!)   
   >   
   >   
   >>"Mrs Ken Ehrett"  wrote in message   
   >>news:79qec25pd1gn7k69d7g2h7t87r36bi9j71@4ax.com...   
   >>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:31:54 +0100, hummingbird   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:27:13 -0400  'Mrs Ken Ehrett'   
   >>>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:27:48 +0100, hummingbird   
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On 25 Jul 2006 22:12:34 GMT  'Bert Hyman'   
   >>>>>>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>In news:l9lbc2t03pg6p5ppavp6t71acjtselggbg@4ax.com hummingbird   
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> In reality what you are seeing is Israel seeking vengeance, nothing   
   >>>>>>>> more.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Against Hizballah,   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Not so. The Israelis fired the first shot in this war and are now   
   >>>>>>imposing collective punishment onto civilians incl women and children.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Clearly you think Hezbollah has the right to grab Israeli soldiers and   
   >>>>>Israel is just supposed to accept it.   Tough cookies and all that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>No, I do not think that. Pity you can only see two extreme options.   
   >>>   
   >>>>The issue is what sort of response from Israel would have been most   
   >>>>effective, not only in securing release of their two soldiers but also   
   >>>>with an eye on the longer term. Bear in mind that what Hezbolloh   
   >>>>wanted is to use the captives as negotiating chips to secure release   
   >>>>of their own people held by Israel - many more in number.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I bet that by launching a massive bombing campaign to kill hundreds   
   >>>>of innocent women/kids and causing huge destruction, Israel has not   
   >>>>only lessened the chances of soldier release but also created a lot   
   >>>>more hatred - and therefore future terrorism - against itself. Is   
   >>>>that a good policy?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Fact is that bombing will not solve the current problem.   
   >>>   
   >>> Killing all of Hezbollah will solve a lot of the current problems in   
   >>> the middle east and Israel might well go through Damascus to get the   
   >>> job done.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>That is immoral and clearly against international law.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>What does International Law say about kidnapping people from their own   
   >>>>>country?   Tough cookies there too?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Israel is equally guilty of such actions as its adversaries. Let's not   
   >>>>forget that Israel has been conducting a political assassination   
   >>>>policy for several years - quaintly described as *targeted killings*.   
   >>>   
   >>> Good.   When their sworn enemies are bent on the total destruction of   
   >>> Israel the only response of the Israelis should be total extermination   
   >>> of the threat.   
   >>>   
   >>> I guess we disagree, bird.   :)   
   >>   
      
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