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|    A brief history of Israel (1) (1/3)    |
|    24 Nov 06 22:43:36    |
      XPost: alt.conspiracy, alt.conspiracy.jfk, soc.culture.israel       XPost: talk.politics.mideast               A brief history of Israel                      1897: Zionism gets established        Jews have been scattered around Europe and Russia for centuries.       However, they were never welcome anywhere, except for brief periods. Not       surprisingly, many Jews dreamed of having their own nation.        In 1897 Theodor Herzl officially announced the creation of the Zionist       movement. The goal of Zionism was to create a nation for Jews in Palestine.       Their goal was not to make friends around the world, nor to love other       nations or other people.               The problem they faced was that the Arabs who were living there had no       desire to give it up. Also, Turkey had control of Palestine of this time,       and Turkey refused to give any part of Palestine to the Jews.               A few Jews moved into Palestine at this time, but only in small       numbers were allowed in, and they could not take the land for their own       nation.               The Arabs were not concerned when the first few Jews arrived. The       Arabs did not realize what was coming up in the future, just as the Native       Americans did not realize what was happening when the Pilgrims landed on       their shore. Only after a few years, when the quantity of Jews increased,       did the Arabs become angry.                             Zionists look for friends in high places        Britain was regarded as a world leader at this time (America in 1900       was not much above Australia in the world's social hierarchy). The Zionists       thought that perhaps the British government could somehow help them.        The Zionists needed influence over the British government. They soon       noticed a law firm in London in which one of the partners was also a       government official. By going to this law firm for any legal help they       needed, (or pretended to need), they would have access to a high-level       government official. This gave them the opportunity to become friends (at       least to a certain extent) with a government official. This contact with the       law firm turned out to help them meet other government officials.               The Zionists spent a lot of time contacting British government       officials and trying to convince them to help the Zionists cause, but the       most the British government was willing to do was in 1903 when they offered       to make some land in Uganda available to the Zionists. (Britain still had       colonies around the world at this time.)               Since Turkey controlled Palestine, I have to wonder what the Zionists       were thinking the British government could do for them. Did they think it       was possible that the British government would convince Turkey into allowing       a portion of Palestine to become Israel? Or did they think Britain would       start a war with Turkey, drive the Turks out of Palestine, and then give       Palestine to the Zionists?                             The Brits, French, and Zionists try to use each other in WW1        Zionism got established in 1896, but not much happened with it until       World War 1.        Exactly what role the Zionists played during World War 1 is a mystery.       All we know for certain is that the Zionists were looking for help in       creating Israel.               Before I continue, you should be aware that during wars there is a lot       of lying, manipulation, spying, fake documents, and double crossing. You       cannot expect historians to make sense of events during a war because the       lying and deception is at extreme levels.               We know that during the war both the British and French governments       gave the Zionists a document which offered support for a Jewish homeland in       Palestine, although in such a vague manner that neither government was       actually committing to anything.               The questions I cannot answer are: Did the Zionists outsmart the       British and French in order to get those documents? Or did the British and       French give the Zionists those documents in an attempt to use the Zionists       in some manner? Or (most likely) were all three groups trying to take       advantage of one another?               Some historians believe the British government was trying to use the       Zionists to bring America into the war, thereby providing Britain with some       assistance. In this scenario, Britain wanted the Zionists to encourage the       American Jews to put pressure on the American government to get into in the       war.               Other historians believe that some British government officials may       have been thinking that it would be to Britain's advantage to have Zionists       in Palestine because that would put some friends of Britain near the Suez       canal.               Furthermore, some historians believe that some British officials also       made promises to Arabs, while other officials made promises to France.               If this situation seems confusing, remember, this was a time of war.       Individual government officials sometimes act on their own, promising things       they cannot deliver, and promising things that conflict with the promises of       other officials. And sometimes government officials make promises that they       have no intention of keeping.               Nobody will ever know exactly what the Zionists, British, or French       were thinking (most of those people are dead already), or who was involved       in what, or how these three groups were trying to use, abuse, and/or double       cross one another. All we know is that in June of 1917 the French gave the       Zionists a document that expressed support for a Jewish homeland in       Palestine, and in November of 1917 the British government did also.               The French document was so vague that it essentially stated, "Hey, a       homeland for Jews! Great idea! Good Luck!"               The British document had a bit more substance. Not surprisingly, the       French document never became important to the Zionists, while the British       document became referred to it as the "Balfour Declaration".               The Balfour Declaration stated that the British government would help       the Jews create a homeland in Palestine as long as it did not bother the       Palestinians. Exactly how the British could accomplish such a feat was what       we might refer to as "a minor detail" that the British never bothered to       explain. The British government had agreed to something that they could       easily back out of on the grounds that they cannot see how they can help the       Jews without annoying the Palestinians.               What this means is that the Zionists did not get anything of value       from the British or the French.               Did the British or the French get anything from the Zionists? Since it       appears that the Zionists helped encourage America to get into the war, it       seems that the British got what they wanted. Therefore, we might say that it       appears as if the British outsmarted the Zionists in this particular       situation.                             Britain becomes guardian of Palestine        World War One changed the situation dramatically in Palestine because              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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