XPost: alt.conspiracy   
   From: JohnP_Da_Evil_Joo@WhyAreMoronsAttractedToMe.com   
      
   "dearhunter"  wrote in a message   
      
   >>> and buildings do not collapse because of fire, try doing some   
   >>> homework!   
      
   >> That's a dumb statement. Buildings collapse from fires regularly. Even   
   >> steel structured buildings collapse due to fires. Some collapse due to   
   >> fires that are not even significantly large.   
      
   >> Taking your own advice, your homework assignment is to explain why   
   >> McCormick Place, the Sight and Sound Theater and the steel structure   
   >> of the Madrid Tower collapsed to the 17th floor. For bonus points,   
   >> explain why the Madrid Tower collapse stopped at that floor.   
      
   > John, please don't be that stupid...   
      
   Good idea. If I were to do that, the combination between my contribution to   
   what you're already providing could well overload the global stupidity   
   meter.   
      
   > ...the McCormick Place was a convention center,   
   > long span, roof caved in, no big deal, go here, see   
   > for yourself:   
      
   It still is, although it is now more than one building. I have seen for   
   myself, I was just there this past weekend. (and, although I was very young   
   at the time, I was at the original building as well)   
      
   > Walls are/were still standing, big deal, the roof caved in. Surely you   
   > can do better than this?   
      
   Big deal? Why did the roof collapse Beavis? It collapsed because the steel   
   structure holding it up *failed due to fire*.   
      
   DUCK! ... that clue bat almost took off your head.   
      
   > Give me 3 buildings of solid concret and steel other than the WTC then we   
   > can talk!   
      
   Address the Madrid Tower and the Sight and Sound Theater. Then we can talk.   
   I'll even provide more samples if you are incapable of conducting such   
   research on your own. I'll even give you one where a steel structured   
   building completely collapsed because the building *next to it* burned.   
      
   However, you need to start by working on grasping the concept that the   
   question is "Can fire cause failure in steel structures?" - to which the   
   answer is clearly yes.   
      
   Then you need to work on understanding the construction of the WTC towers.   
   The structure of the building was entirely steel, not steel and concrete.   
   The concrete was just a thin layer on the floors. It provided none of the   
   structural integrity of the buildings.   
      
   For a concrete and steel building, look at the Madrid Tower. It was a   
   concrete and steel structure. The steel portion of the structure from the   
   17th floor up, collapsed due to fire. The concrete structure in the same   
   area remained standing. See if you can figure out why the collapse of the   
   steel structure stopped at the 17th floor.   
      
   After you've actually done some research and know at least a little bit   
   about the topic, then we can talk.   
      
   Thanks for playing.   
      
   Next.   
      
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