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   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Leif"  wrote in message   
   news:1189708248.058192.141580@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Sep 13, 10:17 am, Leif  wrote:   
   >> On Sep 13, 4:52 am, "Topp@Work"  wrote:   
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   >> > "Spaz"  wrote in message   
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   >> > > "RSweeney"  wrote in message   
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   >> > > > its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be   
   >> > > > infringed; but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it   
   >> > > > shall   
   >> > > > not be infringed by Congress.   
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   >> > > That's true.  So there's no reason the local government of San   
   >> > > Francisco   
   >> > > can't implement their own gun ban.   
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   >> > Except it violates State law.....   
   >> > And cities can not violate state law   
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   >> Leif speaking: The SECOND AMENDMENT provides no reason why the local   
   >> government of San Francisco can't implement their own gun ban.- Hide   
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   > Leif speaking:  The Bill of Rights was intended to protect the people   
   > from abuse by the FEDERAL government.   
      
   I accept your admission that most, if not all, federal gun control laws are   
   Unconstitutional.   
      
   > The 4th Amendment protects the   
   > people as individuals, the 2nd Amendment protects the people as a   
   > community.   
      
   "The right of the people" vs "the right of the people".....   
      
   Excuse me if I fail to see the difference between the individuals and the   
   community that you claim exists.   
      
      
   > If the Framers had thought it necessary to protect the personal arms   
   > rights of individuals, it would simply have added the word "arms" to   
   > the 4th Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their   
   > persons, houses, ARMS, papers, and effects..."   
      
   Arms are effects. So it is already included. Thus by your argument the   
   Framers protected the personal arms rights of individuals in the 4th   
   Amendment.   
      
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