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   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Leif"  wrote in message   
   news:1189738780.317181.17430@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Sep 13, 11:26 am, Natman  wrote:   
   >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:30:48 -0700, Leif    
   >> wrote:   
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   >> >On Sep 13, 10:17 am, Leif  wrote:   
   >> >> On Sep 13, 4:52 am, "Topp@Work"  wrote:   
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   >> >> > "Spaz"  wrote in message   
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   >> >> >news:9LCdnZ1NOcJU5HXbnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@comcast.com...   
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   >> >> > > "RSweeney"  wrote in message   
   >> >> > >news:tq2dnRvRTuoP9nXbnZ2dnUVZ_sqinZ2d@comcast.com...   
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   >> >> > > > its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not   
   >> >> > > > be   
   >> >> > > > infringed; but this, as has been seen, means no more than that   
   >> >> > > > it shall   
   >> >> > > > not be infringed by Congress.   
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   >> >> > > That's true.  So there's no reason the local government of San   
   >> >> > > Francisco   
   >> >> > > can't implement their own gun ban.   
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   >> >> > Except it violates State law.....   
   >> >> > And cities can not violate state law   
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   >> >> Leif speaking: The SECOND AMENDMENT provides no reason why the local   
   >> >> government of San Francisco can't implement their own gun ban.- Hide   
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   >> >Leif speaking:  The Bill of Rights was intended to protect the people   
   >> >from abuse by the FEDERAL government.  The 4th Amendment protects the   
   >> >people as individuals, the 2nd Amendment protects the people as a   
   >> >community.   
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   >> Well at least you admit your inconsistency. Sorry but you don't get to   
   >> pick and choose which amendments you want to follow. It's a package   
   >> deal.   
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   >> >If the Framers had thought it necessary to protect the personal arms   
   >> >rights of individuals, it would simply have added the word "arms" to   
   >> >the 4th Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their   
   >> >persons, houses, ARMS, papers, and effects..."   
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   >> They probably thought it wasn't necessary since they had already   
   >> protected the people's right to keep and bear arms in the Second.   
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   >> The contortions you people will go through to justify your positions   
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   > Leif speaking:  I'm very appreciative of the Second Amendment.  It,   
   > along with Article I, Section VIII, of the Constitution have given us   
   > the modern militia, the National Guard.   
      
   A select militia, which now acts a part of the standing army. Two principles   
   that were utterly rejected by the Founding Fathers.   
      
      
   >Without it, a military draft   
   > would no doubt now be in effect.   
      
   13th Amendment.   
      
   > I wouldn't look forward to that.   
      
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