XPost: can.talk.guns, alt.guns, alt.rec.guns   
   XPost: talk.politics.guns   
   From: oldpink@nltc.net   
      
   Leif wrote:   
   [...]   
   >>>If the Framers had thought it necessary to protect the personal arms   
   >>>rights of individuals, it would simply have added the word "arms" to   
   >>>the 4th Amendment: "The right of the people to be secure in their   
   >>>persons, houses, ARMS, papers, and effects..."   
   >>   
   >>Arms are effects. So it is already included. Thus by your argument the   
   >>Framers protected the personal arms rights of individuals in the 4th   
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   > Leif speaking:  What definition do you use that says that arms are   
   > "effects" but that houses and papers are not?   
      
   God damn! but if you aren't a pinhead!   
   In your world, what's up is down, and what's right is left.   
      
   "WordNet (r) 2.0"   
   effects   
         n : property of a personal character that is portable but not   
             used in business; "she left some of her personal effects   
             in the house"; "I watched over their effects until they   
             returned" syn: personal effects   
      
   --   
   And what exactly is a joke?   
      
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