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From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net
"Leif" wrote in message
news:1189835328.118600.105910@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 14, 4:59 am, "Topp@Work" wrote:
>> "Leif" wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189744550.229127.155690@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Leif speaking: Those who look upon "the people" of the 2nd amendment
>> > as being the same as those in the 4th are simply wrong. The people of
>> > the 4th amendment is made up of the general public. The people of the
>> > 2nd amendment consists only of those who are capable of bearing arms.
>> > In the exclusively military context of the Second Amendment, the
>> > people who bore arms were those who capable of rendering military
>> > service.
>>
>> Really:
>>
>> "Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual
>> discretion...in private self defense..."
>> -John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the
>> USA, 471 (1788)
>>
>> "...the people have a right to keep and bear arms."
>> -Patrick Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185
>>
>> "The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be
>> infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained
>> to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..."
>> -James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789)
>>
>> "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people
>> themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms."
>> -Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788)
>> at 169
>>
>> "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at
>> least 17 years of age..."
>> -Title 10, Section 311 of the U.S. Code
>>
>> GUESS YER WRONG.
>>
>> > Well regulated state militias, in the latter part of 18th
>> > Century America, consisted of nonexempt men falling within the age
>> > limits established under state law for militia service. Militarily
>> > speaking, they were "the people." Taken together, they were a set of
>> > persons a good deal different from that of the general public of the
>> > 4th Amendment.
>>
>> So If "The people" doesn't apply to all the amendments as intended...YOU
>> have no
>> right to share your moronic ideas here...Go away now, before we form a
>> Bureau
>> of Speech and require background checks for each word you speak.
>>
>> > Contrary to what you say, if the Framers had intended the Second
>> > Amendment as protection for personal gun rights for individuals, they
>> > would have said so. "Individual" is a word that appears nowhere in
>> > the amendment. On the other hand, not only does the word "militia"
>> > play an important part, but it is really what the amendment is all
>> > about.
>>
>> Really:
>> "The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in
>> full possession of them."
>> -Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646
>>
>> "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
>> -Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson
>> Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)
>>
>> "The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be
>> infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained
>> to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..."
>> -James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789)
>>
>> "The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to
>> prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens,
>> from keeping their own arms."
>> -Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the
>> Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87
>>
>> GUESS YER WRONG AGAIN
>
>
> Leif speaking: Your standard Guns Unlimited quotes
So anytime you refer to "Guns Unlimited" what you really mean is "Founding
Fathers"?
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