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   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "Leif"  wrote in message   
   news:1190341900.864962.171070@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Sep 20, 1:39 am, "Scout"   
   >  wrote:   
   >> "Leif"  wrote in message   
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   >> news:1190265660.976219.131070@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...   
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   >> > On Sep 19, 2:59 pm, "RD (The Sandman)"   
   >> >  wrote:   
   >> >> Leif  wrote   
   >> >> innews:1190092184.280376.168970@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:   
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   >> >> > On Sep 17, 3:03 pm, "RSweeney"  wrote:   
   >> >> >> "Leif"  wrote in message   
   >> >> >> > Leif speaking:  "The people" referred to in the 2nd Amendment was   
   >> >> >> > the well regulated  militia.  The militia of 1789 wasn't just a   
   >> >> >> > "resource pool."  It was an organized state entity, made up of   
   >> >> >> > men   
   >> >> >> > capable of bearing arms, enrolled in militia companies for   
   >> >> >> > training   
   >> >> >> > and service.   
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   >> >> >> The people referred to in the entire bill of rights is the entire   
   >> >> >> citizenry.   
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   >> >> >> Madison could just as easily had used the term "militia" and not   
   >> >> >> people. He didn't.   
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   >> >> > Leif speaking:  The word "militia" appears in the Second Amendment.   
   >> >> > The word Madison didn't use but could have is "individuals."   
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   >> >> Not when the subject was the preservation of state soveriegnty.  That   
   >> >> is   
   >> >> one of the jobs of the state militia.  HOW they did it was to draw   
   >> >> from a   
   >> >> pool of armed citizenry in lieu of a standing state army.   
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   >> > Leif speaking:  Why would the state need to "draw from a pool or armed   
   >> > citizenry" when it already had an organized and trained militia force,   
   >> > as indicated by John Adams in the quote I have previously provided?   
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   >> Either the force isn't large enough for the emergency or it is decided to   
   >> increase the size of the force. It's like our military. If we want to   
   >> increase the size of our military, where exactly do you think the extra   
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   > Leif speaking:  I would say that if you want to increase the size  of   
   > the state militia you should change the state's militia law, not just   
   > start drawing from a pool of nonmilitiamen.   
      
   How does changing the law alter the size if not by drawing from a pool of   
   nonmilitiamen?   
      
   Do these additional members just pop in out of thin air when the legislation   
   is ratified?   
      
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