XPost: alt.conspiracy.new-world-order, soc.support.fat-acceptance   
   From: tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam   
      
   On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:   
      
   > It depends on how badly we need change.  "Playing" with the system,   
   > no matter how bad it sucks, is just that... play.   
   >   
   >> Are you HONESTLY telling me that Kerry would have changed things for the   
   >> better?  Do you REALLY think that?  Oh, I'm sure he would have changed   
   >> SOME things, but there is NO WAY you can convince me that his changes   
   >> would be BETTER.   
   >   
   > Nice rant.  I respect your concepts.  I didn't talk about candidates.   
   > I don't even know where your knee-jerking self came up with that.   
      
   Thanks, I try...  :)  But seriously though, you are arguing about   
   "change" in one section, but seem indifferent to the quality of it.  It   
   almost seems like you are talking about change for sake of having it...   
      
   >> Nader, on the other hand, WOULD have made   
   >> BETTER change,  period.   
   >   
   > By election day, it was blatantly obvious than Nader never stood a   
   > snowball's chance in hell.   
      
   I already said that...  When he announced he was running, I knew he didn't   
   have a chance...  But it wasn't going to stop me from voting for him.   
      
   > All I suggest is that when you KNOW that your party is in the shitter,   
   > make a better decision.  I freely admit that in 2004, this did not apply.   
      
   I accept that concept.  But it's not that simple.  As long as elections   
   can be privately funded, the "deep pockets" are always lined with special   
   interest money who can out campaign the other guy.  The "good" choices are   
   already out of cash, while "Joe Sixpack" only remembers the TV spot he saw   
   that day.   
      
   But since I don't vote Republican or Democrat, my "party" isn't in the   
   shitter afterall...   
      
   > FWIW, loudmouth...  I have voted thoroughly independent most of my   
   > life - and in 2004, for the first time on over 40 years, I did not vote in   
   > the presidential election.  I knew full well that Bush and Kerry were   
   > both on the same side.   
      
   ???   
      
   Ok...  Then why did you get pi$$y with me in the first place?  Or did I   
   TOTALLY screw up, and misunderstand your first point?  If I did I'm really   
   sorry...  UGH!   
      
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