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From: shell-stamford@cox.net
"Mike Painter" wrote in message
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> Chuck Stamford wrote:
>> "Mike Painter" wrote in message
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>>> Chuck Stamford wrote:
> >>>
>>>> Not familiar with much of Mark Twain's body of work beyond Tom
>>>> Sawyer. I liked that story as a kid. It was nice to see that some
>>>> kids, at least, got to have some fun.
>>>>
>>>> But I digress. As to you question:
>>>>
>>>> "Who decides which authority is right."
>>>>
>>>> God does. All I need to know, as a disciple of Jesus Christ, is
>>>> that the authority I'm following isn't an obvious enemy of the
>>>> Gospel, or isn't requiring me to do something that directly
>>>> contradicts a command of God as understood and interpreted by His
>>>> Son, Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>> So, has everything been accomplished?
>>> Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear,
>>> not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any
>>> means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
>>
>> Not in the sense of Matthew 5:18, no.
>>
>>>
>>> If not you should be rooting for the Taliban who follow OT law with
>>> stoning for minor infractions.
>>
>> Where did you get the idea the Taliban follows the OT?? The Taliban
>> follows a Scripture that says love your neighbor and kill the infidel
>> wherever you find them. The Old Testament reminds the Jews they
>> were strangers once, and they should thus welcome the stranger who
>> comes in peace, regardless of the god he worships.
>
> You mentioned the commandments and most of the commandments have
> punishments that range from paying money through being made a slave to
> death. Death being the preferred chioce in most matters.
And?
>
>>
>>>
>>> If yes then where specifically does this Christ tell you what laws
>>> should and shound not be obeyed.
>>
>> Christ specifically gives us two laws to obey:
>>
>> Jesus said to him, " 'You shall love the LORD your God with all your
>> heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 "This is the
>> first and great commandment. 39 "And the second is like it: 'You
>> shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 "On these two commandments
>> hang all the Law and the Prophets."
>
> Sorry when you said "a command of God as understood and interpreted by His
> Son, Jesus Christ. " I thought you meant it.
I did.
> The OT is filled with comnmands of your god.
> Christ said those laws are still in effect.
> Since you probably apply some of them and ignore othres, even though in
> the past they were not ignored, where does your christ tell you which ones
> to pick and wher does he interpret them?
In the above that I just gave you. He also said, through the inspired
authors of Scripture, the laws of God would, by His ministry of sacrifice
for sin, be written on the hearts of those who love God; that they would be
obeyed in Spirit instead of letter.
>
> He also said
> Matthew 10:34
> Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
> but a sword.
The sword there is seen by many, including me, as this one:
Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according
to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and
powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the
division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of
the thoughts and intents of the heart. Heb 4:11-12
In Scripture, it is not always the case that the sword is used to symbolize
strife, fighting, and war. It is also used as it is here, a symbol of what
judges between truth and falsehood; i.e, "the word of God". It should also
be noted that the word of God, as used here, shouldn't be taken in an overly
narrow sense. It probably includes the OT, Jesus Christ, the Son of God
manifest in the flesh, the NT, and the promised indwelling Holy Spirit
promised to believers by Jesus.
The Luke 12 passage is talking about the same sense of the "word of God",
which Jesus is saying both that He is, and that He manifests/expounds in all
the various ways He does that for us, and that the word of God causes a
demarcation line to be drawn across all of reality; i.e., you are either on
one side of that line or the other...there is no middle ground.
>
> Luke 12:51
> Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but
> rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house
> divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be
> divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother
> against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in
> law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her
> mother in law.
This passage is a bit different. This you have jerked out of it's context,
where the context is very important, as this is the only time in Scripture
where Jesus actually recommends His disciples acquire the means to defend
themselves. The context let's us know this *is* about self-defense after
Jesus' special protection of them ceases, and Jesus saying two swords amoung
eleven men is enough, shows us this is used more to make the point that the
Divine protection they have enjoyed to this point is now ending, than to
give them permission to wage war for their own benefit. Acts, the epistles
of Paul, and the data we have on the 1st century Church bear this out, as no
leader of the Church can be found using a sword to wage war, or defend
himself from persecution. They evidently understood the metaphor.
>
> Luke 22:36
> He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
>
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