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   From: shell-stamford@cox.net   
      
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   >>>>> Which is Christ's teaching, for even to hate Christ's brethren is to   
   >>>>> become a murderer, to actually kill them is diabolical, and that is   
   >>>>> what occurred during the last world wars.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Just tell me how it is that God, and the men God ordered to kill other   
   >>>> men, are not "diabolical".  That's all I really need you to do, and   
   >>>> I'll listen to anything else you have to say here.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ok.   
   >>> It is not 'diabolical' if God who is the Master of all Creation demands   
   >>> the   
   >>> death of some-one who He has created and given life to. One the other   
   >>> hand   
   >>> it is 'diabolical' and a sin if He gives the command NOT to kill and we   
   >>> go   
   >>> ahead and defy Him and to save our lives, or the lives of our family, or   
   >>> a   
   >>> possible invasion of the country we live in.   
   >>   
   >> But you have to cite the 10 commandments, specifically the sixth, to show   
   >> me where God commands not to kill, and yet we find God ORDERING Saul to   
   >> go and kill every man, woman, and child of the Amalekites some 500 years   
   >> AFTER HE supposedly commanded men not to kill.   
   >>   
   >> How do you account for the obvious contradiction on your interrpretation   
   >> of the sixth commandment?  And remember, it's crucial to your position   
   >> that you be able to do this, for no where do we find Jesus repudiating   
   >> the sixth commandment, except to explain that it extends not just to the   
   >> act of murder, but to its motivation as well, which is, as He explains,   
   >> the self-gratification.one gets from satisfying their anger.   
   >   
   > That you use the above truth from the bible as showing logic is BEYOND   
   > ME!!!!  lol   
   >   
   > Yeah, God tells people to NOT murder and yet he THEN tells them to kill   
   > this one and that and, oh wait, and keep the virgins for themselves (after   
   > killing all the virgin's kin!).  If you can't see that ONLY a mentally   
   > bound individuals can use what you just used as a reasonable explanation   
   > of anything IS truly beyond me to understand and I was once a Fundie   
   > myself!!!   
      
   Everybody dies, and every death passes through the will of God.  Therefore,   
   if causing or allowing death is immoral, than God is immoral.  Likewise, all   
   evil in the world passess through the will of God before it ever occurs in   
   reality.  If allowing or using evil is immoral, then God is immoral.   
      
   Anyone who says allowing evil or causing or allowing death (killing) is   
   immoral sets themselves above God.  No one who does not understand the   
   nature of sin and death can understand how it is that love can kill with   
   complete justification, and that it is the *justification* that determines   
   the moral status of killing, and *not* the act itself.  God is perfectly   
   good killing every human being He ever creates, PROVING it is not the act   
   itself that is evil.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)