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   From: jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk   
      
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   >>>>>> Which is Christ's teaching, for even to hate Christ's brethren is to   
   >>>>>> become a murderer, to actually kill them is diabolical, and that is   
   >>>>>> what occurred during the last world wars.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Just tell me how it is that God, and the men God ordered to kill other   
   >>>>> men, are not "diabolical".  That's all I really need you to do, and   
   >>>>> I'll listen to anything else you have to say here.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ok.   
   >>>> It is not 'diabolical' if God who is the Master of all Creation demands   
   >>>> the   
   >>>> death of some-one who He has created and given life to. One the other   
   >>>> hand   
   >>>> it is 'diabolical' and a sin if He gives the command NOT to kill and we   
   >>>> go   
   >>>> ahead and defy Him and to save our lives, or the lives of our family,   
   >>>> or a   
   >>>> possible invasion of the country we live in.   
   >>>   
   >>> But you have to cite the 10 commandments, specifically the sixth, to   
   >>> show me where God commands not to kill, and yet we find God ORDERING   
   >>> Saul to go and kill every man, woman, and child of the Amalekites some   
   >>> 500 years AFTER HE supposedly commanded men not to kill.   
   >>>   
   >>> How do you account for the obvious contradiction on your interrpretation   
   >>> of the sixth commandment?  And remember, it's crucial to your position   
   >>> that you be able to do this, for no where do we find Jesus repudiating   
   >>> the sixth commandment, except to explain that it extends not just to the   
   >>> act of murder, but to its motivation as well, which is, as He explains,   
   >>> the self-gratification.one gets from satisfying their anger.   
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   >> That you use the above truth from the bible as showing logic is BEYOND   
   >> ME!!!!  lol   
   >>   
   >> Yeah, God tells people to NOT murder and yet he THEN tells them to kill   
   >> this one and that and, oh wait, and keep the virgins for themselves   
   >> (after killing all the virgin's kin!).  If you can't see that ONLY a   
   >> mentally bound individuals can use what you just used as a reasonable   
   >> explanation of anything IS truly beyond me to understand and I was once a   
   >> Fundie myself!!!   
   >   
   > Everybody dies, and every death passes through the will of God.   
   > Therefore, if causing or allowing death is immoral, than God is immoral.   
   > Likewise, all evil in the world passess through the will of God before it   
   > ever occurs in reality.  If allowing or using evil is immoral, then God is   
   > immoral.   
   >   
   > Anyone who says allowing evil or causing or allowing death (killing) is   
   > immoral sets themselves above God.  No one who does not understand the   
   > nature of sin and death can understand how it is that love can kill with   
   > complete justification, and that it is the *justification* that determines   
   > the moral status of killing, and *not* the act itself.  God is perfectly   
   > good killing every human being He ever creates, PROVING it is not the act   
   > itself that is evil.   
      
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