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From: shell-stamford@cox.net
"vernono" wrote in message
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> " ::: good news runner :::" wrote in message
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>> In news:wsnqk.1235$Tb5.958@fe93.usenetserver.com,
>> vernono typed:
>>> And the last thing Jesus said to the apostles in concert was to go
>>> get a sword, also if a group did not listen, give them the middle
>>> finger salute (shake your sandal).
>>>
>>> Too bad people can't read the entire bible and listen to what Jesus,
>>> The Christ, said to do after He left.
>>
>> You are talking about swords in a metaphorical way, but Jesus meant the
>> real swords that can hurt people's body. This here, however, is about
>> Spiritual things - opinions, thoughts, ideas... and it is about TRUTH in
>> the first instance.
>>
>
> No, I am talking about real swords and a pouch of money.
>
> Of course that doesn't chang live by the sword and die by the sword.
>
> And Jesus had compassion on several centurians. These had probably killed
> tens or hundreds of people.
>
>>
>> To say it with Jesus...
>>
>> Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
>> Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe
>> all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway,
>> even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew 28:19-20 KJV)
>>
>>
>> To say it with Paul...
>>
>> "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall
>> judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the
>> word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with
>> all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not
>> endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
>> themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their
>> ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in
>> all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full
>> proof of thy ministry. (2 Timothy 4:1-5 KJV)
>>
>>
>>
>> Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the
>> wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
>> against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
>> darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
>> Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to
>> withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand
>> therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the
>> breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of
>> the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye
>> shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the
>> helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of
>> God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and
>> watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
>> And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth
>> boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an
>> ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to
>> speak. (Ephesians 6:11-20 KJV)
>>
>>
>>
>> In addition, I cannot see how your words might fit to Chuck's post... and
>> whom you migth see getting a real sword...
He said for his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy real swords, and you
are right that He was talking about real swords. However, it is easily
misunderstood when it is taken out of context. Jesus is there contrasting
the protection He provided for them while with them on earth, with the fact
that after His death, resurrection, and ascension into heaven, they would
not continue to enjoy that same level of preservation.
Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to
You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that
they may be one as We are. 12 "While I was with them in the world, I kept
them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is
lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13
"But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may
have My joy fulfilled in themselves. John 17:11-13
Compare with:
Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will be made to stumble because of Me
this night, for it is written: 'I will strike the Shepherd, And the sheep of
the flock will be scattered.' 32 "But after I have been raised, I will go
before you to Galilee." 33 Peter answered and said to Him, "Even if all are
made to stumble because of You, I will never be made to stumble." 34 Jesus
said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you that this night, before the rooster
crows, you will deny Me three times." 35 Peter said to Him, "Even if I have
to die with You, I will not deny You!" And so said all the disciples. Matt
26:31-35
So the moneybag He told them to take this time is real, as is the sword, but
the TEACHING is concerning the change in the protection level Jesus'
disciples are about to experience that makes moneybags and swords part of
living out their lives as disciples of His.
I believe Jesus is teaching that the Christian cannot be completely
oblivious to money or to occasionally being called upon to defend what God
has entrusted into his charge, but that this is not to be over done or used
as an excuse for not trusting in God. Just because it is true the watchman
watches in vain if the Lord is not in it, so to it is true that the Lord
being in it doesn't allow the watchman to go home and climb into bed. He
must still "watch", for that is what the Lord has called him to do.
>>
>>
>> But our sword is God's Word...
>>
>> Amen?
>>
>> --
>
> Yes, the word of God is a sword BUT Jesus talked of a real sword.
> Jesus didn't mince words.
>
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