XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.religion.christian.baptist,   
   alt.religion.christian.biblestudy   
   From: vernono@there.com   
      
   " ::: good news runner :::"  wrote in message   
   news:6h0pqnFhujloU1@mid.individual.net...   
   > In news:uzqqk.2995$xv4.2571@fe111.usenetserver.com,   
   > vernono  typed:   
   >> " ::: good news runner :::"  wrote in message   
   >> news:6guhdpFhonpiU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>> In news:wsnqk.1235$Tb5.958@fe93.usenetserver.com,   
   >>> vernono  typed:   
   >>>> And the last thing Jesus said to the apostles in concert was to go   
   >>>> get a sword, also if a group did not listen, give them the middle   
   >>>> finger salute (shake your sandal).   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Too bad people can't read the entire bible and listen to what Jesus,   
   >>>> The Christ, said to do after He left.   
   >>>   
   >>> You are talking about swords in a metaphorical way, but Jesus meant   
   >>> the real swords that can hurt people's body. This here, however, is   
   >>> about Spiritual things - opinions, thoughts, ideas... and it is   
   >>> about TRUTH in the first instance.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> No, I am talking about real swords and a pouch of money.   
   >>   
   >> Of course that doesn't chang live by the sword and die by the sword.   
   >>   
   >> And Jesus had compassion on several centurians.  These had probably   
   >> killed tens or hundreds of people.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> To say it with Jesus...   
   >>>   
   >>> Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name   
   >>> of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them   
   >>> to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am   
   >>> with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. (Matthew   
   >>> 28:19-20 KJV) To say it with Paul...   
   >>>   
   >>> "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who   
   >>> shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;   
   >>> Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove,   
   >>> rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time   
   >>> will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their   
   >>> own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching   
   >>> ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall   
   >>> be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure   
   >>> afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy   
   >>> ministry. (2 Timothy 4:1-5 KJV) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye   
   >>> may be able to stand against   
   >>> the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,   
   >>> but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of   
   >>> the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high   
   >>> places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may   
   >>> be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.   
   >>> Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having   
   >>> on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the   
   >>> preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of   
   >>> faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of   
   >>> the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the   
   >>> Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and   
   >>> supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all   
   >>> perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that   
   >>> utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to   
   >>> make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador   
   >>> in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.   
   >>> (Ephesians 6:11-20 KJV) In addition, I cannot see how your words might   
   >>> fit to Chuck's   
   >>> post... and whom you migth see getting a real sword...   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> But our sword is God's Word...   
   >>>   
   >>> Amen?   
   >>>   
   >>> --   
   >>   
   >> Yes, the word of God is a sword BUT Jesus talked of a real sword.   
   >> Jesus didn't mince words.   
   >   
   > No, He did not, so we agree. I thought you were talking of using a sword   
   > in the newsgroups, which is not real but metaphorical. That was why I   
   > asked how your post fit as a result to Chuck's post. Sorry, I   
   > misunderstood. I do believe we can defend ourselves if we are attacked   
   > physically. Many people in usenet confuse the Spiritual fighting with the   
   > physical war or physical attacks. they even feel that posting Scripture   
   > they do not like is an attack...   
   >   
      
   Agreed.  But posting altered scripture or out of context scripture is   
   against God Himself.   
      
   There ain't no way I can justify myself by altering scripture or saying Paul   
   is wrong or using Jesus as an excuse to ignore harm to others by a neighbor.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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