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   From: vernono@there.com   
      
   "Chuck Stamford"  wrote in message   
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   > "vernono"  wrote in message   
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   >> "Chuck Stamford"  wrote in message   
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   >>> "vernono"  wrote in message   
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   >>>> I will say that God instilled a basic fight to survive.   
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   >>> I can't.  To me that's part of our corrupted nature we're supposed to   
   >>> let die.  It's one thing to fight for someone else's well-being, another   
   >>> to fight for our own.  I can't find anywhere in Scripture that we are   
   >>> commanded or even allowed to fight for just our own well-being at the   
   >>> expense of another's.   
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   >> The incorrect word in my context is "fight"   
   >> To "fight" against another is one thing.   
   >> To not let a life that God gave you die is another.   
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   >> When you are ill, you take medication or food.   
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   >> You are basically promoting suicide.   
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   > No, you misunderstand my position.  Probably more my fault than yours.   
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   > I'm saying that if we are new creatures "in Christ", we no longer are to   
   > live our lives for ourselves, but for our brothers and sisters in the   
   > Lord; for our "neighbors", and even for our enemies, and it is only when   
   > doing THAT requires we fight against anyone, that we are justified in   
   > doing that.   
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   >> We are to survive and SERVE as long as possible.  It's about God, not us.   
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   >> The fact that God gave us an inherent desire to survive is not an evil   
   >> gift or a gift of evil.   
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   > What I'm saying is that I doubt the desire to survive is anything God   
   > designed into us.  Why would He?  Death was no part of God's original   
   > design for man?  I can see now that this is our only real point of   
   > disagreement.   
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   You misunderstand first and second death.   
   Adam and Eve were NOT in a "heavenly"  or spiritual world.   
   Listening to Satan took away their second (heavenly) life.  (They would   
   surely die) Only God could intervene.and bring them into His presence.   
      
   Heaven and earth have ZERO physical similarity.  When we "die" as   
   Christians, we become as Jesus and He is NOT a physical man.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)