On 28 Jan 2006 15:23:34 -0800, miso@sushi.com wrote:   
      
   >There is a Hawthorne Muni around 38.54461 -118.63182   
   >   
   >I can't really understand why Hawthorne is on the BRAC hitlist. Seems   
   >like a good spot to store bombs to me. The clean up cost to return the   
   >land will be huge.   
   >   
   >   
      
      
   judging from the enormous amount of new construction going on there ,   
   I wouldn't  believe everything you read about  Hawthorne closing up !   
   it's been said  a number of times in the past and it's still going   
   strong.   
      
   since they took down all the large signs around the place and removed   
   it from the web ....  possibly they want that activity to disappear   
   from public  attention .    also   , what  " exactly "  is the BRAC   
   list  saying  they want to close ?   and what exactly actually goes   
   around  there ?   
      
   some people are saying that the presence of the  mountain sized   
   pile of new dirt they took out of the ground there (  it's up  the   
   highway past the lake , on the right side of the road )  might be a   
   sign they  linked it to some other  facility with underground tunnels.   
   for sure it shows some kind of massive  underground excavation   
   activity  in the last several years .  there are plenty of other " new   
   " signs   ( don't want to mention them here )  that the place is very   
   busy  as well.   
      
   I don't know what is actually going on there and I suspect what ever   
   BRAC is talking about , you won't see all the  activity there dry up   
   and disappear.  I'm sure you could move the Army  ammo storage and   
   distribution activities  ( probably the main employer of civilians   
   there  )    and the activities of the NUWTL  wouldn't be impacted at   
   all . it's hard to actually  say what  is really going on .  what ever   
   it is it's a LOT  more than the public knows about.   
      
   remember that all those bunkers you see above the ground aren't   
   actually  the current facility. those are left over from when it first   
   moved there in the '60s.  starting in the '70s it went 40 stories   
   ( so they say ) underground  and  was reported to be a quite massive   
   facility , many times larger than what you see , above ground .  in   
   recent times (  decade or so ago ) they enlarged and changed all the   
   above ground nuclear handling facilities as well , probably did the   
   same underground .   also,  the Army has even more  ( and probably   
   larger ) facilities on the west side of the highway, up in mountains   
   also in tunnels .   I wouldn't be surprised at all if  it was directly   
   connected , these days ,  to the underground at  the NTS , since they   
   are obviously in such close proximity to each other .   
      
   guess time will tell .  we'll have to wait and see what happens.   
   in the meantime , it's a busy place and has a lot of interesting stuff   
   to go check out.   
      
      
   k   
      
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