From: krackula@i.am
On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:45:31 -0400, Andrew
wrote:
>On 1 Oct 2006 18:42:12 -0700, "gpsman" wrote:
>
>>John A. Weeks III wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> "Rőbstër" wrote:
>>> > And, thinking out loud - the base at Groom must have email, I wonder what
>>> > the domain is?
>>>
>>> Groom lake often appears as either detachment 2 of NASA Dryden
>>> flight center, or as a part of Nellis AFB. Those would seem
>>> to be logical choices for a domain. But in reality, there is
>>> no need to fix anyone to a particular domain. One person could
>>> have an e-mail address from the Navy Museum, and the next person
>>> could have an address from the air base in Okinawa.
>>
>>Yeah, but email access for more than a very select very few at Groom
>>seems very unlikely to me. I doubt things happen there at a velocity
>>that would require the expediency of email and I would place my bet
>>that any sensitive communications are handled the old fashioned way, by
>>hand carried inter-departmental envelopes.
>>
>
> Perhaps, but remember before the "Internet" there was Arpanet and its
>basic idea was to help facilitate comms from Mil to various Academia.
>The emphasis in academia was research and Groom Lake is rich with that.
>
>Does that mean the Secret Plans are out there? More likely Office gossip
>and copies of printer cartridge orders.
>
>The "REAL" secrets don't leave a trail,
>
>Andrew
>
....... snip ...............
having " internet " service at an installation or facility doesn't
necessarily mean that people ( the public ) can access it or
communicate with it directly. Groom Lake ( or rather any of the
facilities in the area like NTS etc. ) are usually serviced ( like
many other facilities that need VERY tight data security ) by VPNs
nowadays. to regular internet users these networks are virtually (
pun ) invisible. they exist all over the web by the 1000s , but can
only bee seen / accessed by the particular users that have the
appropriate software installed and the proper passwords / levels of
access authorization. " you or I " simply cannot even detect their
operation or presence let alone access them.
a good example of this type of security and invisibility are large
medical installations ( like the UCSF Medical Center in S.F. with
many remote campus locations and distant users ) ..... they use the
VPN networks and additionally have a number of layers of password
security to cross to enter and access their data files. this is
mandated by patient privacy rights laws and medical ethics etc. .
the ( even more ) secure ( military / government ) versions of these
VPN networks generally use the 128 word ( or higher ) encryption key
in addition to the multiple level password / authorization and
necessary specialized VPN network access software.
in times past ( before VPNs )
everyone ( in tight , secure, security government / military
internet / network circles ) used to have little shirt pocket sized
( even slightly smaller ) gizmos that looked like little calculators.
these were loaded with some kind of RSA password software
keys that generated ( ever changing ) passwords from numbers input
into them. the source of these numbers and the passwords I won't
comment upon. everyone had to have their little gizmo changed or
updated monthly or every two months depending upon where you worked
and your clearance level. these newer VPN / password levels / crypto
networks are considered so secure that the little password calculators
have been phased out nowadays and aren't considered necessary anymore.
I still keep a couple of them to remind me of the " good ole days ".
ha aha ha ha ha a ( what a hassle they were, you had to have one
for EACH system you entered and if you lost or misplaced one ..... WoW
what a mess THAT was )
just because a facility has a ISP, doesn't mean " everyone " can
access it , or even " see " it ....... not anymore ! more and more
people ( besides the government and military ) are turning to this
technology for their business applications .... it' works and is VERY
secure ( inside and outside ) .
k
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