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   Message 1,869 of 2,359   
   Lumpy to Desert Shadow   
   Re: One of my favorite stories   
   09 Jun 09 21:56:57   
   
   79818632   
   From: lumpy@digitalcartography.com   
      
   Desert Shadow wrote:   
     [Jerry Freeman Story, Papoose Lake]   
   > It sounds legit because of a sum total of points.   
   > 1.  I believe he had the desire to find the last of the artifacts.  In   
   > his world that would have been quite a feat.   
   > 2.  The military had definitely pissed him off by not letting him go   
   > in there for science.  He clearly wasn't interested in military   
   > crafts. He is a true archeologist.   
   > 3.  He had the experience from past hikes.  Although this would   
   > definitely be the most difficult and dangerous.   
   > 4.  Glenn Campbell met him twice and discussed the trek.  It sounds   
   > like Glenn believed him.  Glenn may have his moments, but he is   
   > without a doubt one of the best BS detectors when it comes to Area   
   > 51.  This event took place during a time when Glenn was still very   
   > much involved with Area 51.   
   > 5.  The last and most important for me, I don't believe the Air Force   
   > or Nevada Test Site officials had monitoring equipment out there where   
   > he went.  The danger of the desert is enough to deter most   
   > individuals.  It wouldn't make sense to patrol or monitor the route he   
   > took.  The environment was enough to protect the area.  It would be   
   > possible to make the trek with enough water, equipment, desire and   
   > BALLS!   
      
   Just as a matter of investigative process, and not meaning   
   to rag on you, none of the above are "points".   
   They are all simply your desire to believe it's true.   
   That kind of "investigation" works well at ATS.   
   But "I want to believe" is not good research.   
      
   I'm not exactly sure if I believe Freeman made the trip or not.   
   But there are a couple of glaring inconsistancies in the journal   
   as he reports it.   
      
   Apparently his associates, the Spanish Trail researchers,   
   have some doubts about this, and other treks he has   
   reportedly made.   
      
   The US Natl Park Service did scientific research that   
   pretty clearly disproves Freeman's claim to having found   
   a trunk, belonging to the original 49'ers.   
      
   MY subjective view of Jerry Freeman, totally unsupported   
   by any facts (just as your view is), is that he was a   
   colorful writer and enjoyable story teller. But I have   
   trouble believing his stories, particularly in light of   
   the NPS findings.   
      
   I would certainly not classify him as "A true archaeologist".   
   I've seen no scientific description, research or methodology   
   in his writings. A true scientist, or even a non-scientist   
   who wished to be taken seriously, would have/could have used   
   some incredibly simple and obvious means (photos?) to prove   
   and document his research.   
      
   Ask yourself this -   
      
   Here's a guy, obsessed with the history of the 49'ers.   
   Embarking on a trek to the holy grail of 49'er history.   
   What would have been the result if he HAD found what   
   he was looking for? He would have had a story to tell   
   and nothing more. If you were looking for such telling   
   evidence, wouldn't it make sense to have the means to   
   document it if you had found it?   
      
      
   Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke   
      
   www.n0eq.com   
      
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