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From: emoneyjoe@iglou.com
On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "miso@sushi.com"
wrote:
>On Jun 4, 1:43 pm, emoneyjoe wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 23:29:54 -0700 (PDT), "m...@sushi.com"
>>
>> wrote:
>> >On Jun 3, 5:33 pm, emoneyjoe wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 23:41:32 -0700, "Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke"
>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >emoneyjoe wrote:
>> >> >> I think all the stories
>> >> >> of fallout over area51 somehow got
>> >> >> exaggerated into bomb stories.
>>
>> >> >Point, obviously, is that there weren't 100 nukes
>> >> >anywhere. And zero at area 51.
>>
>> >> >Great investigative reporting.
>>
>> >> >Notwithstanding the bit about how the base, apparently
>> >> >operating in 1947, received Russian juvenile spacecraft
>> >> >pilots.
>>
>> >> >"Information never before made public before my book"
>>
>> >> >Lump
>>
>> >> It is easy to see the book author was a _little_
>> >> clueless, but I don't know what you mean by not
>> >> 100 nukes.
>>
>> >> Are you separating the atomic from the nuclear,
>> >> wiki says there was well over 1,000 all together, but
>> >> apparently many if not most were underground (or
>> >> in the Pacific, and one or more in space).
>>
>> >> I visited my Aunt in North Las Vegas in 1963 and
>> >> her husband drove up the highway every morning,
>> >> I knew he was a tunnel man, and no telling which way
>> >> or how far the tunnels went or how deep they were.
>>
>> >> I worked in a foundry in 1954 making compressor
>> >> blades with screw thread shanks in a building payed for
>> >> by the AEC, the blades were for a rather large turbine
>> >> compressor for that era, and there was some talk of
>> >> an atomic powered airplane, but we didn't have any
>> >> blueprints or plans of the engine, just a section of
>> >> both the rotor and stator to see if the blades fit
>> >> properly.
>>
>> >> I don't remember what year, but I new an
>> >> engineer at NASA that said he was working
>> >> running a jet engine in a wind tunnel that produced
>> >> way over 100 decibels and his ears were bothering him.
>>
>> >> I have wondered if the compressor was for an
>> >> airplane or just an air mover for ventilating a tunnel
>> >> or building.
>>
>> >> The Ben Rich book says that Kelly Johnson
>> >> had a pilot look for a place to test the U-2 in 1954,
>> >> and there was nothing at the dry lake then, but
>> >> the government built a hanger and runway in
>> >> a short time to start flight testing in 1955, but
>> >> the book is so self inconsistent I have no faith
>> >> in any of the dates.
>>
>> >> I recently saw images of a model of the
>> >> SR-71/A-12 being tested on a radar test range
>> >> and the caption said area51 in the 1950s, but
>> >> there was no model of either until late in 1959,
>> >> and Ben Rich said Lockheed had no radar
>> >> range even by 1980.
>>
>> >> Either there is intentional misinformation
>> >> or really bad memory by some.
>>
>> >> I can document that I invented stealth
>> >> shapes in the 1975-1976 time frame and
>> >> wrote about the way to implement it in May
>> >> of 1977, but Russian engineers or mis-figured
>> >> children pilots had nothing to do with it.
>>
>> >> In 1947 Russia had nothing that could have
>> >> placed any kind of craft in New Mexico airspace.
>>
>> >> Books are written to sell, but some authors
>> >> seem to think BS sells better than facts.
>>
>> >The nuclear powered plane was Project Pluto. I met a machinist who
>> >worked on the project.
>>
>> It was a bad idea to begin with because the power required
>> is so great, a B-50 with four R-4360s is equivalent to at least
>> 12,000 horsepower or 10 megawatts and the new big 2-engine
>> airliners are ten times that.
>>
>> I think the reactor tested in a B-36 was less than
>> 5 megawatts, sounds like a lot, but nowhere near enough.
>>
>> >The F117A IIRC was based on Russian documents. It was in Ben Rich's
>> >book.
>>
>> Maybe, but the number of self-inconsistencies makes
>> me wonder, I suspect that when the competition between
>> the 5 or 6 companies was going on, Lockheed was using
>> the model of the A-12/SR-71, and at some point in 1976
>> or 1977 went to the flat surfaces.
>>
>> My name is the last reference on the list of patents
>> on the second page of the reissue patent, if there would
>> not have been security involved I think Lockheed would
>> have been forced to negotiate splitting royalties with me
>> because I mailed in a patent application on flat surfaces
>> more than a month before the Air Force hand-carried
>> their patent application to the patent office.
>>
>> There is some issue with "first to file" and "first to
>> invent", and I intentionally did not put the details of
>> my invention on paper in December of 1978, I felt
>> what I wrote in May of 1977 in the Space Act of 1958
>> requirement that went to NASA was all that was needed
>> to know to first implement the technology.
>>
>> I don't know if the image file of that paper made
>> it on all servers, it was on my server, but I don't suscribe
>> to Giganews anymore, I can't afford it.
>>
>> If you have the Ben Rich book I can point out
>> the inconsistencies, I have more faith in the crash
>> dates of the two Have Blue articles than in the other
>> text.
>>
>> I can't think of any reason for errors in dates
>> more than 30 years ago other than trying to hide
>> something, but I have no idea what it could be.
>>
>> At least Ben Rich didn't claim they got the
>> technology from aliens. :-)
>>
>> Ken Fischer
>
>I have Ben Rich's book in hardcover and softback. I've been collecting
>soft cover copies of his book and a few similar books to put in
>geocachces around the range.
I wonder if there is local news coverage that gave the
date of the two Have Blue planes, the notes by Bill Park in
the Ben Rich book give the dates as May 4, 1978 and
July, 1979.
That makes the first paragraph in the book a gross
error about the August, 1979 date of a radar test of the
number two Have Blue.
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