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From: emoneyjoe@iglou.com
On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 20:44:12 -0700 (PDT), "miso@sushi.com"
wrote:
>On Jun 5, 5:56 am, emoneyjoe wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT), "m...@sushi.com"
>>
>> wrote:
>> >On Jun 4, 1:43 pm, emoneyjoe wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 23:29:54 -0700 (PDT), "m...@sushi.com"
>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 3, 5:33 pm, emoneyjoe wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 23:41:32 -0700, "Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke"
>>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >emoneyjoe wrote:
>> >> >> >> I think all the stories
>> >> >> >> of fallout over area51 somehow got
>> >> >> >> exaggerated into bomb stories.
>>
>> >> >> >Point, obviously, is that there weren't 100 nukes
>> >> >> >anywhere. And zero at area 51.
>>
>> >> >> >Great investigative reporting.
>>
>> >> >> >Notwithstanding the bit about how the base, apparently
>> >> >> >operating in 1947, received Russian juvenile spacecraft
>> >> >> >pilots.
>>
>> >> >> >"Information never before made public before my book"
>>
>> >> >> >Lump
>>
>> >> >> It is easy to see the book author was a _little_
>> >> >> clueless, but I don't know what you mean by not
>> >> >> 100 nukes.
>>
>> >> >> Are you separating the atomic from the nuclear,
>> >> >> wiki says there was well over 1,000 all together, but
>> >> >> apparently many if not most were underground (or
>> >> >> in the Pacific, and one or more in space).
>>
>> >> >> I visited my Aunt in North Las Vegas in 1963 and
>> >> >> her husband drove up the highway every morning,
>> >> >> I knew he was a tunnel man, and no telling which way
>> >> >> or how far the tunnels went or how deep they were.
>>
>> >> >> I worked in a foundry in 1954 making compressor
>> >> >> blades with screw thread shanks in a building payed for
>> >> >> by the AEC, the blades were for a rather large turbine
>> >> >> compressor for that era, and there was some talk of
>> >> >> an atomic powered airplane, but we didn't have any
>> >> >> blueprints or plans of the engine, just a section of
>> >> >> both the rotor and stator to see if the blades fit
>> >> >> properly.
>>
>> >> >> I don't remember what year, but I new an
>> >> >> engineer at NASA that said he was working
>> >> >> running a jet engine in a wind tunnel that produced
>> >> >> way over 100 decibels and his ears were bothering him.
>>
>> >> >> I have wondered if the compressor was for an
>> >> >> airplane or just an air mover for ventilating a tunnel
>> >> >> or building.
>>
>> >> >> The Ben Rich book says that Kelly Johnson
>> >> >> had a pilot look for a place to test the U-2 in 1954,
>> >> >> and there was nothing at the dry lake then, but
>> >> >> the government built a hanger and runway in
>> >> >> a short time to start flight testing in 1955, but
>> >> >> the book is so self inconsistent I have no faith
>> >> >> in any of the dates.
>>
>> >> >> I recently saw images of a model of the
>> >> >> SR-71/A-12 being tested on a radar test range
>> >> >> and the caption said area51 in the 1950s, but
>> >> >> there was no model of either until late in 1959,
>> >> >> and Ben Rich said Lockheed had no radar
>> >> >> range even by 1980.
>>
>> >> >> Either there is intentional misinformation
>> >> >> or really bad memory by some.
>>
>> >> >> I can document that I invented stealth
>> >> >> shapes in the 1975-1976 time frame and
>> >> >> wrote about the way to implement it in May
>> >> >> of 1977, but Russian engineers or mis-figured
>> >> >> children pilots had nothing to do with it.
>>
>> >> >> In 1947 Russia had nothing that could have
>> >> >> placed any kind of craft in New Mexico airspace.
>>
>> >> >> Books are written to sell, but some authors
>> >> >> seem to think BS sells better than facts.
>>
>> >> >The nuclear powered plane was Project Pluto. I met a machinist who
>> >> >worked on the project.
>>
>> >> It was a bad idea to begin with because the power required
>> >> is so great, a B-50 with four R-4360s is equivalent to at least
>> >> 12,000 horsepower or 10 megawatts and the new big 2-engine
>> >> airliners are ten times that.
>>
>> >> I think the reactor tested in a B-36 was less than
>> >> 5 megawatts, sounds like a lot, but nowhere near enough.
>>
>> >> >The F117A IIRC was based on Russian documents. It was in Ben Rich's
>> >> >book.
>>
>> >> Maybe, but the number of self-inconsistencies makes
>> >> me wonder, I suspect that when the competition between
>> >> the 5 or 6 companies was going on, Lockheed was using
>> >> the model of the A-12/SR-71, and at some point in 1976
>> >> or 1977 went to the flat surfaces.
>>
>> >> My name is the last reference on the list of patents
>> >> on the second page of the reissue patent, if there would
>> >> not have been security involved I think Lockheed would
>> >> have been forced to negotiate splitting royalties with me
>> >> because I mailed in a patent application on flat surfaces
>> >> more than a month before the Air Force hand-carried
>> >> their patent application to the patent office.
>>
>> >> There is some issue with "first to file" and "first to
>> >> invent", and I intentionally did not put the details of
>> >> my invention on paper in December of 1978, I felt
>> >> what I wrote in May of 1977 in the Space Act of 1958
>> >> requirement that went to NASA was all that was needed
>> >> to know to first implement the technology.
>>
>> >> I don't know if the image file of that paper made
>> >> it on all servers, it was on my server, but I don't suscribe
>> >> to Giganews anymore, I can't afford it.
>>
>> >> If you have the Ben Rich book I can point out
>> >> the inconsistencies, I have more faith in the crash
>> >> dates of the two Have Blue articles than in the other
>> >> text.
>>
>> >> I can't think of any reason for errors in dates
>> >> more than 30 years ago other than trying to hide
>> >> something, but I have no idea what it could be.
>>
>> >> At least Ben Rich didn't claim they got the
>> >> technology from aliens. :-)
>>
>> >> Ken Fischer
>>
>> >I have Ben Rich's book in hardcover and softback. I've been collecting
>> >soft cover copies of his book and a few similar books to put in
>> >geocachces around the range.
>>
>> I wonder if there is local news coverage that gave the
>> date of the two Have Blue planes, the notes by Bill Park in
>> the Ben Rich book give the dates as May 4, 1978 and
>> July, 1979.
>>
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