From: OperationGreenLight@yahoo.com   
      
   On 24 Jan 2005 22:41:19 -0800, Groom51s4@yahoo.com (Norio Hayakawa)   
   wrote:   
      
   >I posted the following item recently:   
   >   
   >The biggest secret about "Area 51" is the fact that it had never been   
   >a secret base.   
   >   
      
   This is not true. The facility has always been a special projects   
   base, and by definition, is secret in every respect- save the recent   
   admission by the USAF that the base actually exists,   
   The operating budget for Groom Lake has never been a matter of public   
   record, nor has any documentation which exists on non-secret bases   
   been made public about GL.   
   There has been more made public by the USAF and the DoD, even in the   
   1960's and beyond, on the (formerly) NORAD Cheyenne Mountain Complex   
   (presently Space Command), nuclear launch facilities in the U.S. and   
   the Distant Early Warning (DEW) Line than has ever been released or   
   made public about Groom Lake.   
      
   >At one time, it was a secret base in the sense that   
   >the government did not acknowledge that it existed.   
   > That changed about 10 years ago when the government   
   >announced that there was an operating base near the Groom   
   >Dry Lake.  That doesn't, however, mean that it is open to   
   >the general public.  Neither is Nellis AFB, Grand Forks AFB,   
   >or any other US air force base.  All bases require permission   
   > to enter, and that permission is not easily granted (at   
   >least not since 9/11).   
      
   Apples and oranges. I work at a US Air Force Base, and no flying or   
   development bases are totally off limits to non-employee civilians   
   that I am aware of, even those hosting Presidential aircraft. Areas of   
   certain bases might be off limits, and tours and civilian visits might   
   have to be pre-arranged and approved, limited to U.S. citizens, and   
   only allowed at certain times and dates, but not even Redstone Arsenal   
   or Nasa Space Flight Centers are 100% off limits.   
   Ask Georgetown University Law professor Jonathan Turley about Groom   
   Lake and whether the government still considers it a "secret" base.   
   Anyone who has followed the saga of the widows of deceased Groom Lake   
   workers knows all too well the story of what lengths the government   
   has gone through to keep the smallest shred of information about the   
   base from being made public.   
   To compare Groom Lake to real working U.S. Air Force bases is an   
   insult to the men and women who are required to adhere to real world   
   rules, regulations, laws and constraints, with limited budgets and   
   multiple layers of oversight. Groom Lake operates outside the   
   limitations real bases must suffer under, and is in its own world.   
   There are no consequences for criminal behavior or incompetence, even   
   when deaths are involved.   
   With my government issued CAC card and clearance, I can enter any U.S.   
   Air Force flying facility in the world, except Groom Lake. This is not   
   fantasy, it is fact. The budget for GL is classified, unlike any other   
   operating air base. Even the garbage at Groom Lake is classified. No   
   other base's garbage has been granted classified status by the   
   Department of Defense.   
   If you wish to continue with this, we can, but you're speaking from   
   outside the Dod and the AF, and I'm not.   
      
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