From: krackula@i.am   
      
   >Since Hawthorn is on the BRAC list, I doubt there anything too secret   
   >there.   
      
   some people say it's the army weapons supply  depot at hawthorne   
   on the list, not the ( much larger )  naval underseas weapons testing   
   labs and the naval nuke storage  (  40 stories under ground there )   
   facilities.  not exactly sure myself. the naval weapons site is the   
   2nd largest weapons storage site in the entire world..... only   
   bested by a site in the Russian Steps.  it used to be in New   
   Jersey  and a site accident killed 100s of people back in the early   
   60s.  after that , it was moved to hawthorne.  some of the most secret   
   weapons testing in the US is done there. missile carriers and   
   tomahawks are all  over the place.  it's a no fly zone too.   
     the massive  ( but not as big as the naval  installation ) army   
   munitions storage location is in the mountains , due west of   
   downtown hawthorne a few miles. easily seen on the sat maps.   
   the much larger naval site is east of hawthorne , from the edge of   
   town and out about 20 miles or more.  it's  massive  square miles   
   of unused bunkers. everything moved under ground in the 80's there.   
   the dirt they took out of the ground is found  a few miles n.w. of   
   town,  it's so large , at first it looks like a mountain before you   
   see the  bulldozers.  that place is pretty big and new to be closing   
   down for real.  a pretty busy place to shut down.   
      
      
   that area I mentioned is not too near  the hawthorne base , it's at   
   n. 38.245917  , w 118.63921 on the acme  map site.  something   
   large and unusual looking buried there .   the security in this place   
   is  surprisingly high.  just loitering nearby, taking pictures,  will   
   usually  bring the cammo dudes and the black chopper in a hurry.   
   those white looking items  at the canyon entrance is some of that   
   " space " looking intrusion equipment I was mentioning.   
   seismic intrusion stuff  is buried all over the place , esp along the   
   fence areas and little care was taken to hide it. all of it seems to   
   be solar powered.   
      
      
   >   
   >That website is just a mess. Give me  one waypoint and I'll try to   
   >check it out in person. I never saw the RCS in Tehachapi, so I could   
   >check it out at the same time.   
      
   as close as you can get is to go  east out of Tehachapi , on the   
   highway 4 miles and turn off and go north on Sand Canyon Road.   
   nice paved sand canyon road suddenly dead ends into the padlocked   
   QMR business. the base is directly behind the QMR business and   
   extends north 10 miles and  continues west  another 12 miles or so.   
   ( about 120 sq miles of installations )   
    this equates to the right most and lower most area on   
   the Tehachapi base map on the web site. it's a large green square ,   
   two  purple squares and two  yellow squares on the site map. the two   
   purple squares are on sand canyon road.  the QMR was not there   
   when the site pics were taken.  there are two other roads into the   
   120 sq mile area. one off caliente bodfish road , from the north,   
   and a dirt  road from the east.  both these roads have posted farms   
   blocking them , ala Rachel.   remember that this is a " private "   
   and not a government installation and they " don't " play by the   
   same rules.   
      
   you might scale  the cliffs on the east side of clientele bonefish   
   road   
   and hike east  to get a look.  there is a fair to mid d'in chance that   
   you can get seriously hurt if you approach any of those  automated   
    intrusion  protection devices too close ........ carefully look out   
   for them if  they are there. ( better safe than sorry )   
   when you go up sand canyon road, you can turn right onto a dirt   
   road that borders the QMR complex ( at the QMR front gate )   
   ..... shortly down that road is a  turn out to stop and view some of   
   the QMR and ( supposed  ) base area .   
      
      
   looking forward to some pics  doorkeeper .  good luck ......   
   be careful and don't break any laws. those attack guard dog   
   signs on QMR are the real mccoy ....... they have a " serious "   
   array of guard dogs there on the QMR site.   
      
      
      
      
      
   k.............   
      
      
      
   I can also  steer you to an interesting government / military   
    " biological " testing valley , east of why 6 , north of  Bishop and   
   east into Nb.  it has a large collection of " test "  animals in a   
   wooden coral and an amazing " giant " solar powered,   
   automated organic lab testing station  built there. looks like the   
   whole ( small ) valley is used as part of the  site. it runs west to   
   east there, and has a VERY stiff wind blowing ( every time I've been   
   there )  east .  up the road ( west ) a few miles  is a " so called "   
   government agriculture " testing "  station. all with large fences and   
   warning signs.   also  patrolled by the cam mo dudes in white pickup   
   trucks.  supposedly the government keeps a large array of   
   " natural " biological  agents there . dun no what they do with them ,   
   tho.......  ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .   
      
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