From: krackula@i.am   
      
   interestingly , a few words of my post   
   have mysteriously changed ....... different   
   from what I wrote  and different from " my "   
   copy on this end .......   
      
   in one place  caliente bodfish road was changed to   
   "  clientele bonefish  "  and in the paragraph before my sig ,   
   doooooooode was changed to  " doorkeeper " .   
      
   the spacing on a few of my words was altered too, from my original   
   copy of the post , on this end.   
      
   dunno how that happened ..... someone playing I guess ....... odd   
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   k..............   
      
      
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   >>Since Hawthorn is on the BRAC list, I doubt there anything too secret   
   >>there.   
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   >some people say it's the army weapons supply  depot at hawthorne   
   >on the list, not the ( much larger )  naval underseas weapons testing   
   >labs and the naval nuke storage  (  40 stories under ground there )   
   >facilities.  not exactly sure myself. the naval weapons site is the   
   >2nd largest weapons storage site in the entire world..... only   
   >bested by a site in the Russian Steps.  it used to be in New   
   >Jersey  and a site accident killed 100s of people back in the early   
   >60s.  after that , it was moved to hawthorne.  some of the most secret   
   >weapons testing in the US is done there. missile carriers and   
   >tomahawks are all  over the place.  it's a no fly zone too.   
   >  the massive  ( but not as big as the naval  installation ) army   
   >munitions storage location is in the mountains , due west of   
   >downtown hawthorne a few miles. easily seen on the sat maps.   
   >the much larger naval site is east of hawthorne , from the edge of   
   >town and out about 20 miles or more.  it's  massive  square miles   
   >of unused bunkers. everything moved under ground in the 80's there.   
   >the dirt they took out of the ground is found  a few miles n.w. of   
   >town,  it's so large , at first it looks like a mountain before you   
   >see the  bulldozers.  that place is pretty big and new to be closing   
   >down for real.  a pretty busy place to shut down.   
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   >that area I mentioned is not too near  the hawthorne base , it's at   
   >n. 38.245917  , w 118.63921 on the acme  map site.  something   
   >large and unusual looking buried there .   the security in this place   
   >is  surprisingly high.  just loitering nearby, taking pictures,  will   
   >usually  bring the cammo dudes and the black chopper in a hurry.   
   >those white looking items  at the canyon entrance is some of that   
   >" space " looking intrusion equipment I was mentioning.   
   >seismic intrusion stuff  is buried all over the place , esp along the   
   >fence areas and little care was taken to hide it. all of it seems to   
   >be solar powered.   
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   >>That website is just a mess. Give me  one waypoint and I'll try to   
   >>check it out in person. I never saw the RCS in Tehachapi, so I could   
   >>check it out at the same time.   
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   >as close as you can get is to go  east out of Tehachapi , on the   
   >highway 4 miles and turn off and go north on Sand Canyon Road.   
   >nice paved sand canyon road suddenly dead ends into the padlocked   
   >QMR business. the base is directly behind the QMR business and   
   >extends north 10 miles and  continues west  another 12 miles or so.   
   >( about 120 sq miles of installations )   
   > this equates to the right most and lower most area on   
   >the Tehachapi base map on the web site. it's a large green square ,   
   >two  purple squares and two  yellow squares on the site map. the two   
   >purple squares are on sand canyon road.  the QMR was not there   
   >when the site pics were taken.  there are two other roads into the   
   >120 sq mile area. one off caliente bodfish road , from the north,   
   >and a dirt  road from the east.  both these roads have posted farms   
   >blocking them , ala Rachel.   remember that this is a " private "   
   >and not a government installation and they " don't " play by the   
   >same rules.   
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   >you might scale  the cliffs on the east side of clientele bonefish   
   >road   
   >and hike east  to get a look.  there is a fair to mid d'in chance that   
   >you can get seriously hurt if you approach any of those  automated   
   > intrusion  protection devices too close ........ carefully look out   
   >for them if  they are there. ( better safe than sorry )   
   >when you go up sand canyon road, you can turn right onto a dirt   
   >road that borders the QMR complex ( at the QMR front gate )   
   >..... shortly down that road is a  turn out to stop and view some of   
   >the QMR and ( supposed  ) base area .   
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   >looking forward to some pics  doorkeeper .  good luck ......   
   >be careful and don't break any laws. those attack guard dog   
   >signs on QMR are the real mccoy ....... they have a " serious "   
   >array of guard dogs there on the QMR site.   
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   >k.............   
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   >I can also  steer you to an interesting government / military   
   > " biological " testing valley , east of why 6 , north of  Bishop and   
   >east into Nb.  it has a large collection of " test "  animals in a   
   >wooden coral and an amazing " giant " solar powered,   
   >automated organic lab testing station  built there. looks like the   
   >whole ( small ) valley is used as part of the  site. it runs west to   
   >east there, and has a VERY stiff wind blowing ( every time I've been   
   >there )  east .  up the road ( west ) a few miles  is a " so called "   
   >government agriculture " testing "  station. all with large fences and   
   >warning signs.   also  patrolled by the cam mo dudes in white pickup   
   >trucks.  supposedly the government keeps a large array of   
   >" natural " biological  agents there . dun no what they do with them ,   
   >tho.......  ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .   
      
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