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|    John Corbett to Gil Jesus    |
|    Re: Questions for Gil about his question    |
|    02 Nov 23 04:52:46    |
      From: geowright1963@gmail.com              On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 6:04:31 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:       > On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:17:31 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:        > > Fish Part Messiah isn't going to answer this, or at least answer it in any       substantive way. Fish Part is once again guilty of something called       presentism, which is the idea that the standards and practices of the past can       be judged retrospectively on        the standards and practices of today. It's possible that in today's world,       there might be records for some of the questions Fish Part brings up,       irrelevant as his concerns are, but not in 1963 America.       > No, just like you, I'm sure there weren't any such things in 1963 as work       schedules or records of assignments, like we have today.        > No, like you, I'm sure there were no records at the USPS or REA Express on       who worked their counters that week between 3/20 and 3/27, like we have today.               Your question wasn't who was working at the Post Office or the REA on the day       Oswald picked       up his mail order weapons. Your question was who handed it to him when he came       to pick them       up. My question to you was what records would you expect there to be that       would answer that       question. So far, you have yet to answer. I'll give you another 24 hours       before I grade you using       your standards.              > No, like you, I'm sure the same FBI that was willing to fingerprint every       employee in the TSBD, didn't have the time to interview the employees of the       USPS or REA, like they would today.               Why would they bother? What difference did it make who handed the packages to       Oswald?       They had a record of the weapons shipped to Oswald with serial number. They       had photos       of Oswald with the weapons. The rifle was found in the TSBD with Oswald's palm       print on        the barrel and fibers matching his shirt on the butt plate. Oswald had the       revolver in his        possession when arrested. Oswald having taken possession of these weapons from       the       USPS and REA is firmly established. I realize that requires you to connect the       dots, all three       of them, and that requires a bit of reasoning, which is a skill that is       foreign to you, but those       are the facts and those facts render your silly questions about which employee       actually handed       the weapons to Oswald moot.        >        > When you're talking a chain of custody, it's important to know who had       custody of the weapons.               The evidence that Oswald had taken possession of the weapons is firmly       established by the       evidence. That is all that is necessary.               > The tracking of the weapons must have been done by you, because it was done       half-assed.               No, Gil, it was very thorough. Using the serial numbers, they traced the       weapons to the retailer       and from the retailer to Oswald. Oswald having taken possession of these       weapons is firmly       established by the evidence I listed above. It doesn't matter which employee       of the USPS or       the REA handed Oswald his weapons when he came to pick them up. That's not       something        that would be required in any other murder case and it is ludicrous for you to       demand such        proof in this one. This is just another one of the silly games you are playing       to try to invalidate       the evidence that proves without a doubt that Oswald was the assassin.        >        > And no employee of either establishment ever came forward to identify       himself as the one who gave Oswald the weapons.               Why would you expect them to? Why would you expect them to remember handing a       package       to Oswald six months earlier?              > Even after Oswald became world famous, and his face was plastered in every       newspaper and all over every TV set in the world, you mean to say no one       recognized him ?               Do you think employees who serve members of the public remember every face       they come in       contact with over the course of many months? My first job was working at       McDonald's while I       was in high school. I came to recognize a few of the regulars and even once       served a local       TV news anchor. Other than that, the rest of them were nameless, faceless       people who I        would never remember having served. For all I know, I might have served Sirhan       Siirhan or        James Earl Ray.              > No one remembered his box # 2915 ?               And you expect that they would.              > No one remembered him coming to the counter with a notice ?               And you expect that they would.              > No one remembered a 40" package ?               And you expect that they would.       >        > No one at REA Express remembered handing him a package that was noted as, "1       crtn pistol"?               And you expect that they would.              At the time these packages were picked up, what would have been so special       about them that       you would think someone would remember them?       >        > Why wasn't anyone from REA Express ever called to give testimony, Chuckles ?               What would they be expected to testify to?              > Why was all the REA documentation autheticated by Heinz Michaelis, the       manager at Seaport Traders,        > who wasn't even employed by them when the transaction occurred ?              Why do ask so many silly, irrelevant questions?       >        > Why didn't the FBI interview the employees at the USPS branch where Box 2915       was located ?               What could they be expected to know that would add to the body of knowledge?              > They interviewed all kinds of people who had no knowledge of the crime.        > They interviewed a woman who knew a woman who babysat Oswald when he was 2       1/2 years old.        > They interviewed Dean Rusk.        > They accepted as an exhibit the bite pattern of Jack Ruby's mother.               Gathering evidence is like panning for gold. You sift through a lot of       worthless stuff to find the       occasional nugget. The WC put all the worthless stuff they gathered into 26       volumes. They       summarized the nuggets in the 888 page report. Had they not included the       worthless stuff in       the 26 volumes, you would be accusing them of destroying evidence.       >        > They took 18 pages of testimony from the emcee at Jack Ruby's club.               Panning for gold.               > But the guy who brought two rifles into the building that the President was       allegedly shot from only got two pages of testimony ?               Tell us why you think there should be more.       >        > What do all these deficiencies have to do with standards between 1963 and       today ? These weren't prehistoric times, this was 1963.               The deficiencies are imaginary. The investigation was thorough. It gathered       overwhelming        evidence that Oswald was an assassin and a cop killer. 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