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|    Chuck Schuyler to Gil Jesus    |
|    Re: Questions for Gil about his question    |
|    02 Nov 23 21:07:25    |
      From: chuckschuyler123@gmail.com              On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 5:04:31 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:       > On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 11:17:31 PM UTC-4, Chuck Schuyler wrote:        > > Fish Part Messiah isn't going to answer this, or at least answer it in any       substantive way. Fish Part is once again guilty of something called       presentism, which is the idea that the standards and practices of the past can       be judged retrospectively on        the standards and practices of today. It's possible that in today's world,       there might be records for some of the questions Fish Part brings up,       irrelevant as his concerns are, but not in 1963 America.              > No, just like you, I'm sure there weren't any such things in 1963 as work       schedules or records of assignments, like we have today.               Strawman. The question Bigdog brought up concerned whether or not employees       engaged in the day-to-day activities should remember a nobody like Oswald, or       whether there should be records pinpointing who handed him packages, etc.              > No, like you, I'm sure there were no records at the USPS or REA Express on       who worked their counters that week between 3/20 and 3/27, like we have today.               We know there were records, but you seem to be claiming employees should       remember this particular customer interaction.              > No, like you, I'm sure the same FBI that was willing to fingerprint every       employee in the TSBD, didn't have the time to interview the employees of the       USPS or REA, like they would today.               >        > When you're talking a chain of custody, it's important to know who had       custody of the weapons.               Was the rifle, for example, shipped differently to Oswald for this sale as       opposed to how other rifles were shipped in 1963?              > The tracking of the weapons must have been done by you, because it was done       half-assed.               Yes, not up to your standards again. Who cares?       >        > And no employee of either establishment ever came forward to identify       himself as the one who gave Oswald the weapons.               Can you remember the waitress who freshened up your cup of coffee at some       diner eight months ago?              > Even after Oswald became world famous, and his face was plastered in every       newspaper and all over every TV set in the world, you mean to say no one       recognized him ?               Plenty recognized him, some with false memories seeking attention and       notoriety, but few would have reason to remember him PRIOR to 11/22/63 in the       ordinary transactions and activities that make up a day's routines.              > No one remembered his box # 2915 ?        > No one remembered him coming to the counter with a notice ?        > No one remembered a 40" package ?               He was a nobody AT THE TIME. Why would ordinary interactions picking up       packages, etc. burn an indelible memory in another ordinary person's mind       whose own life is filled with day-to-day ordinary tasks and concerns? Do you       remember the clerk who handed        you back your credit card seven months ago when you bought a can of paint at       some store?       >        > No one at REA Express remembered handing him a package that was noted as, "1       crtn pistol" ?               The dull day-to-day of the ordinary. Do you remember the face of the guy who       checked your ID a year ago when you were boarding an airplane to go somewhere?       >        > Why wasn't anyone from REA Express ever called to give testimony, Chuckles ?               For what reason?              > Why was all the REA documentation autheticated by Heinz Michaelis, the       manager at Seaport Traders,        > who wasn't even employed by them when the transaction occurred ?               What has your research turned up?       >        > Why didn't the FBI interview the employees at the USPS branch where Box 2915       was located ?               Was it required?              > They interviewed all kinds of people who had no knowledge of the crime.               Yes, the investigation wasn't carried out to your high standards. We are aware       of that.              > They interviewed a woman who knew a woman who babysat Oswald when he was 2       1/2 years old.        > They interviewed Dean Rusk.        > They accepted as an exhibit the bite pattern of Jack Ruby's mother.               And this is proof of something evil going on, or the collection of perhaps       peripheral background information that the report possibly could have done       without? Or is it proof of something else? You tell us.       >        > They took 18 pages of testimony from the emcee at Jack Ruby's club.        > But the guy who brought two rifles into the building that the President was       allegedly shot from only got two pages of testimony ?               Life isn't fair.       >        > What do all these deficiencies have to do with standards between 1963 and       today ? These weren't prehistoric times, this was 1963.               Yet you expect documentation for things that just wasn't done in 1963.       Nowadays, almost everything you purchase is tracked, and digital cameras--that       nearly every store or building has--can go back a long way and capture visits       to a store, etc. But not        in 1963.              > Why did they waste their time and manpower on shit that had NOTHING to do       with this crime, while at the same time neglecting to pursue leads and tie up       loose ends ?        > Enlighten us, Chuckles.              I'm not troubled by it. There is plenty of meat-on-the-bones in the report and       in the investigation, and the exhibits and documents that were collected lead       inexorably to the conclusion Oswald killed JFK, wounded JBC, and killed JDT.       Why hasn't Team        Oswald ran firing tests through limousine windshields and other locations with       a realistic mock motorcade Dealey Plaza set-up using ballistic test figures to       see if any of the crazy stuff you believe happened is even feasible?              But why don't you answer your own question, El Senor Lazy Bones? It's not like       I'm going to give you an answer that satisfies you, correct? Produce an       outline of how you would've run the investigation and why. Outline the tests       you would've conducted.        Where possible, run your own tests to back up your hobby points. Share the       tests and methodology. Invite your critics to look at your work.              Or, you know, sit on your ass in your cluttered little home and bitch about       the Warren Commission Report.              Get busy, Lazy Bones.              LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!              Decades spent sitting on your ass and bitching.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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