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   Hank Sienzant to Gil Jesus   
   Re: Questions for Gil about his question   
   03 Nov 23 10:52:58   
   
   From: hsienzant@aol.com   
      
   On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 7:25:53 AM UTC-4, Gil Jesus wrote:    
   > On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 6:29:30 AM UTC-4, Bud wrote:    
   > > Only the authorities after the commission of a crime, stupid.    
   > >    
   > > Do you think the need to track the Carcano Oswald killed Kennedy with back   
   to the soldier who carried it in WWII?    
   > You haven't proven Oswald received the rifle, stupid.    
      
   No, it has been proven, just not to your satisfaction.    
      
   Klein’s business records were produced for the Commission, and William   
   Waldman, the Klein’s VP who designed their system, validated and explained   
   those records. This is sufficient per the Federal Rules of Evidence to   
   establish the rifle bearing the    
   serial number C2766 was shipped to Oswald’s PO Box, and the testimony of   
   Harry Holmes (and the Federal Rules of Evidence) is sufficient to establish   
   Oswald took possession of the weapon.    
      
   But we also have so much more, as I explained above. There are photos of him   
   with that weapon, there are his fingerprints on the trigger guard, the rifle   
   Marina told the police Oswald kept in the Paine garage was missing from its   
   normal hiding place, and    
   the weapon that was shipped by Klein’s to Oswald’s PO box was found at his   
   workplace, among much other evidence.    
      
   I mean to quote Waldman’s testimony.   
   == quote ==   
      
   Mr. BELIN. Mr. Waldman, you have just put the microfilm which we call D-77   
   into your viewer which is marked a Microfilm Reader-Printer, and you have   
   identified this as No. 270502, according to your records. Is this just a   
   record number of yours on this    
   particular shipment?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. That's a number which we assign for identification purposes.    
   Mr. BELIN. And on the microfilm record, would you please state who it shows   
   this particular rifle was shipped    
   Mr. WALDMAN. Shipped to a Mr. A.--last name H-i-d-e-l-l, Post Office Box 2915,   
   Dallas, Tex.    
   Mr. BELIN. And does it show arts' serial number or control number?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. It shows shipment of a rifle bearing our control number VC-836   
   and serial number C-2766.    
   Mr. BELIN. Is there a price shown for that?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. Price is $19.95, plus $1.50 postage and handling, or a total of   
   $21.45.    
   Mr. BELIN. Now, I see another number off to the left. What is this number?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. The number that you referred to, C20-T750 is a catalog number.    
   Mr. BELIN. And after that, there appears some words of identification or   
   description. Can you state what that is?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. The number designates an item which we sell, namely, an Italian   
   carbine, 6.5 caliber rifle with the 4X scope.    
   Mr. BELIN. Is there a date of shipment which appears on this microfilm record?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; the date of shipment was March 20, 1963.    
   Mr. BELIN. Does it show by what means it was shipped?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. It was shipped by parcel post as indicated by this circle around   
   the letters "PP."    
   Mr. BELIN. Does it show if any amount was enclosed with the order itself?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; the amount that was enclosed with the order was $21.45, as   
   designated on the right-hand side of this order blank here.    
   Mr. BELIN. Opposite the words "total amount enclosed"?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.    
   Mr. BELIN. Is there anything which indicates in what form you received the   
   money?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; below the amount is shown the letters "MO" designating money   
   order.    
   Mr. BELIN. Now, I see the extreme top of this microfilm, the date, March 13,   
   1963; to what does that refer?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. This is an imprint made by our cash register indicating that the   
   remittance received from the customer was passed through our register on that   
   date.    
   Mr. BELIN. And to the right of that, I see $21.45. Is that correct?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. That's correct.    
   Mr. BELIN. Is there any other record that you have in connection with the   
   shipment of this rifle other than the particular microfilm negative frame that   
   we are looking at right now?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. We have a--this microfilm record of a coupon clipped from a   
   portion of one of our advertisements, which indicates by writing of the   
   customer on the coupon that he ordered our catalog No. C20-T750; and he has   
   shown the price of the item, $19.   
   95, and gives as his name A. Hidell, and his address as Post Office Box 2915,   
   in Dallas, Tex.    
   Mr. BELIN. Anything else on that negative microfilm frame?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. The coupon overlays the envelope in which the order was mailed   
   and this shows in the upper left-hand corner .the return address of A. Hidell,   
   Post Office Box 2915, in Dallas, Tex.    
   There is a postmark of Dallas, Tex., and a postdate of March 12, 1963,   
   indicating that the order was mailed by airmail.    
   Mr. BELIN. Can you see the actual cancelled stamp in the upper right-hand   
   corner?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.    
   Mr. BELIN. And the stamp itself says "United States Airmail"?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. That's correct.    
   Mr. BELIN. And underneath that, someone has written "airmail"; is that   
   correct?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. That's true.    
   Mr. BELIN. And someone has written it addressed to you; is that correct?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. That's right.    
   Mr. BELIN. And is it possible on this machine to make prints of these   
   negatives?    
   (Whereupon, it was attempted to make copies of said documents.)    
   Mr. BELIN. I think the record should show that all of this testimony has been   
   taken upstairs with the court reporter present in front of the actual   
   microfilm machine itself; is that correct?    
   Mr. WALDMAN. That's correct.    
   == unquote ==   
      
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