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   Message 98,192 of 99,700   
   Donald Willis to All   
   Turnabout: Guinyard undercuts Callaway u   
   20 Nov 23 21:16:11   
   
   From: willisdonald824@gmail.com   
      
   Turnabout:  Guinyard undercuts Callaway undercuts Guinyard   
      
   In "Ted Callaway & the '55 feet'", we found Sam Guinyard contradicting,   
   compellingly, Callaway's claim that the latter was, at the closest, about 55   
   feet away from the man with the gun, who (said Callaway) was running down the   
   west side of Patton.  Never    
   to be outdone--Callaway wasn't shy about criticizing fellow witnesses like   
   W.W. Scoggins and Domingo Benavides--Callaway, in turn--with the west-side   
   story assigned (and apparently happily accepted by) him--Callaway undercut   
   Guinyard's claim that the    
   latter saw the gunman knocking out shells all along the (east) sidewalk of   
   Patton.     
      
   Guinyard:  "Just as [the gunman] come around the corner on Patton, he cut   
   through the yard and missed the corner on 10th... He came through there   
   running and knocking empty shells out of his pistol... [Benavides] picked up   
   all them empty hulls that come    
   out of the gun..."   
   Counsel Ball:  "Where were they?"   
   Guinyard:  "Laying across the yard as he kicked them out all around the   
   sidewalk." (v7pp397-399)   
      
   Callaway:  "[The gunman] had come through this yard and cut behind this   
   taxicab, over to this side of [Patton]... the west side of the street..."   
   (v3p353)  Nowhere in his testimony does Callaway mention the man discarding   
   shells.  Again, an inexplicable    
   little contretemps.  Of course, if Callaway had backed Guinyard's story of the   
   shells, he would have, at the same time, negated his own story of a "mistake"   
   re an automatic, which he could not or would not then have made.  That is, he   
   could not have seen    
   both manual discarding of shells *and* loading of an automatic.  The Guinyard   
   story cannot be reconciled with the Callaway story.  Ironic, because,   
   individually, the two stories have the same goal--positing the presence of a   
   revolver on Patton.   
      
   Now if Guinyard had cut off his story of the shells right at the point where   
   the gunman is discarding them, it might have had some traction.  However...   
      
   A lesser implication of Guinyard's testimony is that he pointed out the shells   
   on Patton to Benavides.  But another, more serious one is that Benavides   
   picked up *all* the shells the shooter left behind.  Benavides himself   
   testified that he picked up    
   shells only from the front yard, on 10th; Guinyard says that Benavides picked   
   up shells on Patton, too.  That is, the shells that the Davises testified that   
   they pointed out or picked up.  Guinyard is undercut by everyone on this point.   
      
   Guinyard doth witness too much, it seems.  Like Callaway, he seems to be   
   bending over backwards, in his own way, to help the police nullify reports of   
   an automatic at the scene.  Callaway has the gunman shunted over to the west   
   side of Patton; Guinyard    
   brings him right back, scattering shells on the east side.  They can't both be   
   wrong.  Or can they?   
      
   They can--they effectively make a hash of each other's testimony.  Together,   
   they have the gunman running down both sides of the street, at the same time,   
   shouting from one side, discarding shells on the other side.  The magic   
   Oswald.  Both, in fact, ID'   
   d Oswald in a lineup, but it can't be ruled out that, once again, they were   
   just trying their darnedest to help out the authorities.  If they can't agree   
   on what they saw, it's hard to take their word re *who* they saw.  And was it   
   the shooter, an    
   accomplice, or some vigilante with a gun?  Maybe the two were *not* together,   
   and one saw the shooter or an accomplice, the other saw a vigilante.   
      
   At any rate, the man, or one of the men, thus spotted was wielding an   
   automatic, although the detritus of the respective, dueling testimonies of   
   Guinyard and Callaway was meant to suggest, but oh so haplessly, that the   
   gunman--whoever or whatever he was--   
   was wielding a revolver.  Both versions were credibly undercut, Callaway's by   
   Guinyard, Guinyard's by everyone else.  Even his buddy Benavides ("Donnie")   
   couldn't help him.   
      
   dcw   
      
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