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|    Message 98,208 of 99,700    |
|    Donald Willis to JE Corbett    |
|    Re: Ted Callaway and the "55 feet"--Geni    |
|    21 Nov 23 08:55:58    |
      From: willisdonald824@gmail.com              On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 10:05:07 PM UTC-8, JE Corbett wrote:       > On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:41:04 AM UTC-5, recip...@gmail.com       wrote:        > > On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 11:05:10 PM UTC-6, Donald Willis wrote:        > > > Ted Callaway and the "55 feet"--Genius!        > > >        > > > Mr. Dulles: [The suspect] was going south on Patton?        > > > Ted Callaway: On the WEST [emphasis added] side of the street.        > > > Rep. Ford: You saw him run from about the taxicab [at 10th & Patton]...        > > > Callaway: Across the street, up this sidewalk. (v3p353)        > > >        > > > Sam Guinyard: [The suspect] come down Patton until he got to five feet       from the corner of Jefferson and then he went across to the west corner on       Jefferson.        > > > Mr. Ball: What side of the street did you see him coming down on?        > > > Guinyard: When he come down... it would be the EAST [emphasis added]       side. (v7p397)        > > >        > > > This west side/east side conundrum I always found curious, though not       quite compelling, as apparently most everyone else has also found it, or it       would have been brought up more often. Just a simple mix-up.        > > >        > > > However, in looking at it more closely, I can't quite envision how such       a contretemps could happen. Callaway and Guinyard were both on the east side       of the street. Guinyard testifies that the gunman got to "about 10 feet from       me" (p398). But--four        times--Callaway testifies that the gunman crossed the street, early on, near       Patton (v3p353). I think Ball got the point, thank you. Callaway "figured [the       man] was about 55 feet from him when he passed." (v7p398) Supposedly, the two       were near the east        sidewalk at the same time, and saw the same man. (Guinyard: "We was together"       [p398].)        > > >        > > > At 10 feet, Callaway, certainly, could have identified the type of gun,       simply by its look--revolver or automatic. But at 55 feet, Callaway says that       he could tell the type of gun only by the way the man held it--in the "raised       pistol position...[       with] his left hand going toward the butt of the gun, like the way you'd load       an automatic." (With Malice p78) It was apparently he who told DPD Patrolman       Summers that the man was "apparently armed with a 32 dark finish automatic       pistol." (DPD radio-log        transcription/CE 1974 p74)        > > >        > > > At 55 feet, that was apparently just a wild, wrong guess. But Guinyard       clung to his "east side" version, even when counsel informed him re Callaway's       version: "Well," he maintained, "[the gunman] crossed over after he crossed       the driveway" (p398),        which was more than two-thirds of the block, on Patton, from 10th. (In his       diagram, Myers has Callaway at the north end of that driveway--before the       crossover point described by Guinyard ([WMp83].) Yes, according to Guinyard,       then, Callaway would also,        at one point, have been just about 10 feet from the man.        > > >        > > > We see which witness that counsel Joseph Ball favored, in this       gentleman's disagreement, when the latter invokes Callaway's "55 feet" during       Guinyard's testimony. Hint, hint. Guinyard must have been a little       disconcerted by Callaway's reported        witnessing here. Even after Guinyard says "east side" (p397), Ball tries to       correct Guinyard's "mistake": "And [Oswald] was across the street from you,       wasn't he?" Guinyard: "No, we was on this side of the street." Ball: "He was       on the east side of the        street?" Ah! Guinyard: "Yes, sir. And he was on the east side of the street       until he got across our driveway." (p398)        > > >        > > > The Ball monkey wrench fails. His leading-the-witness favoritism       backfires and--along with Guinyard's plucky persistence in the face of a       determined lawyer and possible backlash from his boss, Callaway--tips the       scales the other way. What would        Guinyard have to gain, anyway, by sabotaging Callaway's reloading scenario? At       one point, he too endorses a "pistol up" image, but not Callaway's       left-hand-towards-the-gun-butt reloading. Guinyard has the gunman *unloading*,       not reloading. In fact,        Guinyard testifies, "I never did see him use his left hand" (v7p397). But it       all comes back to "10 feet"... If the Callaway version were correct, why would       Guinyard have to be, shall we say, weaned off "55 feet" and reloading? No       logical reason.        > > >        > > > However, plenty of reason to have Callaway weaned off "10 feet", if that       were the correct version. "10 feet" makes the weapon an automatic. I'm not       saying that Callaway was in any way leaned on--he always seemed happy to       assist the police. Witness        his superfluous call re the Tippit shooting on the latter's police radio, and       the Great Car Chase with Scoggins. That "dark finish automatic pistol" had to       be neutralized. Did Callaway change his story in order to help nail Oswald?       Different definitions        of "good citizen" may come into play here...        > > >        > > > And all Callaway had to do was to go to the other side of the street,       or, more precisely, have the gunman go to the other side. And if he was       willing to do that in order to help out, he might also have been glad to ID       Oswald as the east side/west        side gunman. And it certainly would have bolstered the government's case if       the latter somewhat resembled Oswald, who, after all--Callaway may have been       reminded--murdered the President.        > > >        > > > But why the startling lack of coordination between the respective       testimonies of Callaway and Guinyard? How could Ball, that is, have blundered       into his "And he was across the street from you, wasn't he?", as if he, Ball,       knew the answer and was        expecting Guinyard just to confirm it. He put himself, and Callaway, out on a       limb, and Guinyard cut it off. Ball must have been pissed. It's as if much       thought had gone into developing Callaway's story, and Guinyard had been       neglected until showtime. Or        the Guinyard version had been developed in a vacuum, by some moron unfamiliar       with what was going on with Callaway, Benavides, and the Davises. In any       event, Ball is left lying, rather bruised, on the ground. But the Patton       Street train wreck, or timber        wreck, is instructive in its glimpse into the behind-the-scenes workings of       the wheels of "justice".        > > >               [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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