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|    Donald Willis to recip...@gmail.com    |
|    Re: Ted Callaway and the "55 feet"--Geni    |
|    23 Nov 23 09:05:29    |
      From: willisdonald824@gmail.com              On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 1:32:09 PM UTC-8, recip...@gmail.com       wrote:       > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 1:46:03 PM UTC-6, Donald Willis wrote:        > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-8, recip...@gmail.com       wrote:        > > > On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 11:04:52 AM UTC-6, Donald Willis       wrote:        > > > > On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 9:41:04 PM UTC-8, recip...@gmail.com       wrote:        > > > > > On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 11:05:10 PM UTC-6, Donald Willis       wrote:        > > > > > > Ted Callaway and the "55 feet"--Genius!        > > > > > >        > > > > > > Mr. Dulles: [The suspect] was going south on Patton?        > > > > > > Ted Callaway: On the WEST [emphasis added] side of the street.        > > > > > > Rep. Ford: You saw him run from about the taxicab [at 10th &       Patton]...        > > > > > > Callaway: Across the street, up this sidewalk. (v3p353)        > > > > > >        > > > > > > Sam Guinyard: [The suspect] come down Patton until he got to five       feet from the corner of Jefferson and then he went across to the west corner       on Jefferson.        > > > > > > Mr. Ball: What side of the street did you see him coming down on?        > > > > > > Guinyard: When he come down... it would be the EAST [emphasis       added] side. (v7p397)        > > > > > >        > > > > > > This west side/east side conundrum I always found curious, though       not quite compelling, as apparently most everyone else has also found it, or       it would have been brought up more often. Just a simple mix-up.        > > > > > >        > > > > > > However, in looking at it more closely, I can't quite envision how       such a contretemps could happen. Callaway and Guinyard were both on the east       side of the street. Guinyard testifies that the gunman got to "about 10 feet       from me" (p398). But--       four times--Callaway testifies that the gunman crossed the street, early on,       near Patton (v3p353). I think Ball got the point, thank you. Callaway "figured       [the man] was about 55 feet from him when he passed." (v7p398) Supposedly, the       two were near the        east sidewalk at the same time, and saw the same man. (Guinyard: "We was       together" [p398].)        > > > > > >        > > > > > > At 10 feet, Callaway, certainly, could have identified the type of       gun, simply by its look--revolver or automatic. But at 55 feet, Callaway says       that he could tell the type of gun only by the way the man held it--in the       "raised pistol        position...[with] his left hand going toward the butt of the gun, like the way       you'd load an automatic." (With Malice p78) It was apparently he who told DPD       Patrolman Summers that the man was "apparently armed with a 32 dark finish       automatic pistol." (       DPD radio-log transcription/CE 1974 p74)        > > > > > >        > > > > > > At 55 feet, that was apparently just a wild, wrong guess. But       Guinyard clung to his "east side" version, even when counsel informed him re       Callaway's version: "Well," he maintained, "[the gunman] crossed over after he       crossed the driveway" (       p398), which was more than two-thirds of the block, on Patton, from 10th. (In       his diagram, Myers has Callaway at the north end of that driveway--before the       crossover point described by Guinyard ([WMp83].) Yes, according to Guinyard,       then, Callaway would        also, at one point, have been just about 10 feet from the man.        > > > > > >        > > > > > > We see which witness that counsel Joseph Ball favored, in this       gentleman's disagreement, when the latter invokes Callaway's "55 feet" during       Guinyard's testimony. Hint, hint. Guinyard must have been a little       disconcerted by Callaway's        reported witnessing here. Even after Guinyard says "east side" (p397), Ball       tries to correct Guinyard's "mistake": "And [Oswald] was across the street       from you, wasn't he?" Guinyard: "No, we was on this side of the street." Ball:       "He was on the east side        of the street?" Ah! Guinyard: "Yes, sir. And he was on the east side of the       street until he got across our driveway." (p398)        > > > > > >        > > > > > > The Ball monkey wrench fails. His leading-the-witness favoritism       backfires and--along with Guinyard's plucky persistence in the face of a       determined lawyer and possible backlash from his boss, Callaway--tips the       scales the other way. What        would Guinyard have to gain, anyway, by sabotaging Callaway's reloading       scenario? At one point, he too endorses a "pistol up" image, but not       Callaway's left-hand-towards-the-gun-butt reloading. Guinyard has the gunman       *unloading*, not reloading. In fact,        Guinyard testifies, "I never did see him use his left hand" (v7p397). But it       all comes back to "10 feet"... If the Callaway version were correct, why would       Guinyard have to be, shall we say, weaned off "55 feet" and reloading? No       logical reason.        > > > > > >        > > > > > > However, plenty of reason to have Callaway weaned off "10 feet",       if that were the correct version. "10 feet" makes the weapon an automatic. I'm       not saying that Callaway was in any way leaned on--he always seemed happy to       assist the police.        Witness his superfluous call re the Tippit shooting on the latter's police       radio, and the Great Car Chase with Scoggins. That "dark finish automatic       pistol" had to be neutralized. Did Callaway change his story in order to help       nail Oswald? Different        definitions of "good citizen" may come into play here...        > > > > > >        > > > > > > And all Callaway had to do was to go to the other side of the       street, or, more precisely, have the gunman go to the other side. And if he       was willing to do that in order to help out, he might also have been glad to       ID Oswald as the east side/       west side gunman. And it certainly would have bolstered the government's case       if the latter somewhat resembled Oswald, who, after all--Callaway may have       been reminded--murdered the President.        > > > > > >               [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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