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   Message 98,395 of 99,700   
   Donald Willis to NoTrueFlags Here   
   Re: DPD Ruses, Part I: Insp. Sawyer in t   
   28 Nov 23 09:26:13   
   
   From: willisdonald824@gmail.com   
      
   On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 10:35:25 PM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:   
   > On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 12:17:36 AM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:    
   > > DPD Ruses, Part I: Insp. Sawyer in the hot seat    
   > >    
   > > For me, the discovery of DPD Insp. Sawyer's actual source for his 12:44   
   suspect description somewhat vindicates him. Before that, I had thought that   
   he was part of the conspiracy and that he was handed--*before* 12:30pm   
   11/22/63--a pre-fab    
   description. But NTFH's discovery of the FBI dispatches re his encounter with   
   a witness in back of the depository takes him off the conspiracy hook, though,   
   yes, it leaves him dangling on the cover-up hook. The discovery also partially   
   explains why    
   Sawyer's Commission testimony was so full of holes. He used his unnamed   
   witness's suspect description as the basis for his 12:44 transmi   
   sion--unfortunately for Sawyer, that suspect description included a *weapon*   
   description. And, on the money or not (   
   good reason to believe not), a police inspector bought it--lock, stock, and   
   barrel--and all-but-legitimatized it by putting it on the police airwaves.   
   Perhaps there was something compelling about the witness's presentation. We'll   
   never know because    
   Sawyer had to forget that the person even existed.    
   > >    
   > > The broadcasting of the weapon description put Sawyer in the hot seat, and   
   the actual conspirators (including, I believe, DPD Homicide Capt. Fritz) had   
   to scramble to attach it to a suspect in the depository, or it might sound as   
   if there were *two*    
   active rifles in Dealey that day. (There may have been, but Sawyer's witness's   
   suspect was most probably not one of them.)   
   > You think that it is unlikely that a man running away from the TSBD with a   
   rifle just after the president had been shot had been a shooter? This should   
   be explained.   
      
   I have addressed that elsewhere.  I find it difficult to believe that someone   
   could spirit a rifle past everyone on the first floor about 12:33 without its    
   being noticed.   
      
   > Sawyer must have been a nervous wreck at the hearings: He was also in the   
   hot seat for his 1:11 transmission situating the sniper on the fifth (or   
   third) floor. Lotta scrambling going on before his Commission stint, and some   
   'splainin' to do for the    
   Commissioners during it.    
   > >    
   > >    
   > > First, Sawyer, almost comically, gets off on the wrong foot when Counsel   
   David Belin asks him why he "headed west on Main Street". Sawyer: "Because   
   that was the way the car was pointed at the time I got in." (v6p316)    
   > >    
   > > Secondly, Sawyer testified that he went to the depository because he had   
   heard Sheriff Decker, at 12:30, invoke the "Texas School Book Depository".   
   Wrong--check the DPD radio logs.    
   > >    
   > > Thirdly--after being corrected by counsel--he then says that, yes, maybe   
   he actually started to Dealey or got to Dealey or went into the building about   
   12:34, when the depository was first mentioned on the DPD radio. (v6p319)   
   Wrong again, because...    
   > >    
   > > Fourth, Sawyer testified that officers at the building told him that   
   they'd heard about shooting from the fifth floor, and he took an elevator up.   
   But the officers in question--that would have been Sgt. Harkness and Patrolman   
   Hill--did not radio    
   their data until, respectively, 12:36 and 12:37, then went down to the   
   depository. But even, say, 12:38 would have been wrong, because...    
   > >    
   > > Fifth, at 12:44, Sawyer still seems not to have not heard from Harkness   
   and Hill: He references no floors in the building, in fact does not reference   
   the building at all, in his suspect description.    
   > >    
   > > Sixth, Sawyer, at 12:45, radioed that he was not aware that the suspect   
   had been in the building, though we now know that he had been told that a   
   suspect had been seen running "from" the building. It was the dispatcher who,   
   finally, got Sawyer onto    
   the scent of the depository, told him that the shooting "did come from about   
   the 5th or 4th floor" (CE 1974 p171) But Sawyer's entry into the building   
   perhaps has to be pushed out even further, to no earlier than about 12:52,   
   because...   
      
   > Perhaps this timing confusion for Sawyer's presence has to do with the   
   Dispatcher calling Sgt. Owens from Oak Cliff so that he can be in charge at   
   the TSBD. At 12:47 the Dispatcher dispatches Owens, and shortly after that he   
   says that Owens will be in    
   charge (when he gets there). The trouble with this is that Inspector Sawyer,   
   who outranks Owens, already is in charge, and the Dispatcher already knows   
   that. Owens is being taken out of Oak Cliff so that he doesn't mess up the   
   10th Street operation. So    
   perhaps Sawyer has been briefed to make his arrival time hazy so that nobody   
   notices that there was no legitimate reason for the Dispatcher to take Owens   
   out of Oak Cliff.   
      
   Interesting angle, but as I argue there's another reason for Sawyer to make it   
   seem as if he got there early and got in  & out of the building early--before   
   12:58.   
      
   > >    
   > > Seventh, the "couple of officers" with whom Sawyer says he entered the   
   building must have been Sgt. Gerald Hill and Patrolman James Valentine   
   (Hill/v7p45)--and they were only radioing, at 12:48 (DPD radio logs), that   
   they were "en route Elm & Houston"   
   . The two were the only officers who claimed to have gone in with him.   
   > Did Valentine ever make that claim? Did anybody other than Gerry Hill ever   
   say anything about Gerry being at the TSBD?   
      
   Certainly, no one mentioned him as being at the scene of his shout.  Valentine   
   is with Hill in the car beforehand; he's on the 5th (or 6th) floor later.    
   Doubt he & Hill split up at the entrance when they got there.  Alyea writes   
   (Secrets from the Sixth    
   Floor Window p43) that Hill couldn't have been there for the discovery of the   
   hulls/"nest".  That's funny, since you've shown (via a photo) that *Alyea*   
   wasn't there himself!  How can someone who wasn't there say that someone else   
   wasn't there?   
      
   dcw     
      
   > So, Sawyer was, initially, some 20 minutes off on his entry time, though he   
   had testified that he was down & out of the TSBD by 12:37. (v6p320)    
   > >    
      
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