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|    Hank Sienzant to Gil Jesus    |
|    Re: Reason # 2 why I believe the governm    |
|    30 Nov 23 12:00:51    |
      From: hsienzant@aol.com              On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:54:11 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:       > On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 1:16:56 PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant wrote:       > > Was he biased? He was concerned enough about Oswald’s rights that he       made a trip to the jail to visit Oswald and talk to him:        > >        > > “By that time I had time to think about what I thought my obligation       should be, and realizing that under the circumstances maybe some people might       overlook the fact that Oswald had rights that needed to be protected at the       same time, and if he didn'       t have a lawyer, regardless of what the legal obligation was to appoint him a       lawyer, we, the bar association, ought to look into the matter.”       > > He said he went to the jail and visited with Oswald of his own volition.        > >        > > “It seemed like enough time had gone by, and enough uncertainty among       the people I talked to as to whether or not he had a lawyer or had asked for a       lawyer that I decided I might as well go up and talk to him, so, I cleaned up       and went on up to the        city hall. That was probably 5:30 or so in the afternoon.”       > Hank, you are the biggest bullshit artist here.        >        …       >        > According to Nichols’ testimony, this was the exchange between himself and       Oswald:        >        > NICHOLS. What I am interested in knowing is right now, do you want me or the       Dallas Bar Association to try to get you a lawyer?”        >        > OSWALD. No, not now. You might come back next week, and if I don’t get       some of these other people to represent me, I might ask you to get somebody to       represent me.        >        > NICHOLS. Well, now, all I want to do is to make it clear to you, and to me,       whether or not you want me or the Dallas Bar Association to do anything about       getting a lawyer right now.        >        > OSWALD. No. ( ibid. )               Oswald declined his offer to help him acquire counsel. That’s what’s       important.                     >        > As Nichols is leaving, Chief Curry asked him to make a statement to the       press:        >        > “….As I left the chief asked me whether or not I wanted to make a       statement to the press, and I said, “Well, I don’t know whether I do or       not. I don’t know whether it is the thing to do or not.” And he said,       “Well, they are going to be        right outside the door there, and if you want to say anything this would be an       opportunity to do it. Incidentally, I am very glad you came up here. We       don’t want any question coming up about us refusing to let him have a       lawyer. As far as I know, he        has never asked for one. He has never asked to call one.” ( ibid. )        >        > Of course, the Chief was lying to Nichols because in this video interview in       the hallway of police headquarters earlier that day, Chief Curry admits that       Oswald DID ask for a lawyer but didn’t say who he wanted and police were not       going to call all        over town to find him one and obtaining counsel was Oswald’s responsibility,       not the department’s.        >        > Nichols then went before the media and stated that Oswald had refused his       offer for help:        >        > “He appeared to me that he knew where he was and pretty much what his       rights were with regard to being represented, and he knew apparently–at       least the conversation was that if he didn’t get somebody to represent him       that he wanted that he could        always fall back on the bar association, or somebody, and I had told him that       I would see him next week if he wanted me to, and I satisfied myself at least,       to the extent, that the man appeared to know what he was doing. He did not       appear to be        irrational." He appeared to be calm. He turned down my offer of help, and I       felt like at that point that was all I needed to do, and this was later       Saturday afternoon, and I had no inkling that anything else, except maybe that       the next week if he didn’       t get a lawyer I might hear from him, or check into it, and that’s all I       know about Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald.” ( ibid. pg. 330 )        >        > Nichols never mentioned to the press Oswald’s request for John Abt or the       American Civil Liberties Union.        > He never mentioned to the press Oswald’s complaint of being held       “incommunicado”.        >        > Nichols didn't go there on his own volition.        > He didn't want any part of it.              Nobody held a gun to his head. After conferring with other lawyers, he decided       to do he due Finland ask Oswald himself if he needed or wanted help in       acquiring a lawyer. Oswald seemed coherent, knowledgeable about the law, and       his rights, and declined        Nichols’ offer.               Oswald said, no, not at this time. Oswald wasn't refused counsel, he declined       it.               You don't want to accept that. I get it, if I appointed myself Oswald’s       defense counsel, I would want to reject it as well. But you’re entitled to       your own opinion, not your own facts. And the fact is Nichols offered Oswald       the opportunity to get a        lawyer through him, and Oswald declined.              And that’s why you raised this nonsense issue: “Do you have video or audio       of Oswald saying that he didn't want legal assistance, or are you depending on       the hearsay testimony of a labor lawyer who didn't want to get involved ?”              You claim he didn't want to get involved, but Nichols himself went to the jail       of his own volition to ensure that Oswald knew his rights, and that Oswald       could obtain a lawyer with his help if Oswald wanted one. Oswald wanted a       specific lawyer, and        declined Nichols’ offer of help.              .              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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