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|    Donald Willis to All    |
|    Fritz first hears about the shells--The     |
|    09 Dec 23 14:19:18    |
      From: willisdonald824@gmail.com              Fritz first hears about the shells--The Three Versions       ... And the source for Insp. Sawyer's mysterious "3rd floor"              First version: Sims/Boyd [Homicide] report (Sims Exh. A). "We [Fritz,       Sims, Boyd] went on up to the 7th floor... About that time someone yelled that       some empty hulls had been found on the 6th floor... [We] went to the SE window       on the 6th floor & saw        3 empty rifle hulls...The empty hulls were found about 1:15." This first       version is easily dismissed. Perhaps--it might have been explained,       retroactively--the "someone" was just belatedly yelling for Fritz to come and       see the hulls, some 15 minutes        after they had actually been found. But as late as his Commission testimony       (4/6/64), Det. Sims was still saying, "I think the hulls were found about       1:15." (v7p162) By then, such a misapprehension would have been corrected.              Even the Warren Report, which got a little closer to the actual time of the       finding of the hulls, pegged it as late as 1:12, about the time of Insp.       Sawyer's DPD radio transmission re the shells on the "3rd [sic] floor" (CE       1974 p176/DPD transcription),        which it footnotes. But Deputy Luke Mooney, who found the shells, said that       when he found them, it was "approaching 1 o'clock" (v3p285), confirmed by DPD       Sgt. Harkness' call for the Crime Lab, at about 12:59 (CE 1974 p41). One       might surmise that the        Sims/Boyd "1:15" was based on DPD Sgt. Hill's shout out a 6th-floor window,       but for more on Hill, we turn to...              Second Version: Sgt. Hill: "We hadn't been there but a minute until       someone yelled, 'Here it is!' or words to that effect... In front of the       second window... were three spent shells... At this point, I asked the deputy       sheriff to guard the scene...        and went over still further west to another window... and yelled down to the       street for them to send us the Crime Lab... I went to the back of the       building... and Capt. Fritz & his men were coming up on the elevator. I       told him what we found... I [       went down to] make sure that the Crime Lab was en route..." (v7pp45-6).               Right away--contradiction. Hill has Fritz coming UP to the 6th floor to see       the shells. Sims/Boyd has him going DOWN to the 6th floor. And it is not       "someone yelling" who first calls Fritz's attention to the discovery of the       shells, it's Sgt. Hill,        but not with his famous window shout, but with a briefing near the elevator.        In fact, the timing seems to track: At 12:58, the shells are found inside,       just as Fritz arrives outside. And Hill runs into Fritz "coming up". Note       that Hill does not        add something like, say, Fritz informed me that he had already heard about the       shells. So we must assume here that Fritz (to make good the Hill version)       had heard neither Mooney's shout nor Hill's, supposedly coming just after       Mooney's. Hill's        version is more credible, it seems, at first, than the Sims/Boyd version.              But Hill then proceeds to call the first part of his sequencing into       question. He does a little time traveling, oh only about 10 minutes, but       still traveling: "About the time I got to the street, Lt. Day from the Crime       Lab was arriving" (p47). Lt.        Day: "Shortly before 1 o'clock I received a call from the police dispatcher to       go to 411 Elm Street, Dallas... I arrived at the location on Elm about 1:12."       (v4p249) In 1960s French New Wave film terms, this would be called a jump       cut. Jumping from        circa 1:02 to circa 1:12. Hill: "And [Day] went on into the building, and       I went over to tell Insp. Sawyer... what we found." (p47)              A seemingly harmless advisory. But, based on Sawyer's curious transmission       (see above), about this same time, Sawyer heard Hill say that they had found       shells on... the "3rd floor". As Sawyer testified, "This was reported to me       by somebody inside the        building" (v6p322) Hill fills the bill. And, as we shall see, Fritz has       fits. DPD poetry.              But why did Hill have to tell Sawyer anything? The two of them--along with a       Patrolman Valentine--entered the depository together, about 12:52. (CE 1974       p28: 12:48 radio transmission: Hill and Valentine "en route Elm &       Houston"/Sawyer: "I went [in]        with a couple of officers" [v6p317]) At some point, though, the three must       have split up and gone their separate ways. Valentine "was assigned to the       fifth floor" (v25p914), and there are indeed photos of him watching over the       5th or 6th floor. Hill        was there for Mooney's find.              But Sawyer must, for some reason, have left the search party early, before       anything had been found. If he had been present at such a significant       discovery, he would have radioed as soon as he got back out front. And at       1:08, Harkness radioes, "Anyone        that gets information regarding this incident down here, bring it to 9       [Sawyer] at Elm & Houston." (CE 1974 p50) So, about 1:08, Sawyer begins       processing information out front, but he doesn't use the radio himself until       1:12, after Hill catches him up        on what the searchers found, some time after Sawyer splits off.              Re-creating the missing three or four minutes. The sound of a police radio       out front carried well that afternoon. Det. Johnson, on the 6th floor, could       hear a 1:20 transmission re the Tippit shooting (CE 2003 p210). So... Filling       in the time gap        between Hill's reporting to Sawyer and his shout to the world: At 1:12,       someone upstairs must have heard Sawyer's "3rd floor" transmission, looked       down, and saw Hill with Sawyer. Cue a "Jerry! Get your ass up here!" from an       upstairs window. Quick-       study Fritz--to forestall any further damage from Hill's cockamamie "3rd       floor"--instructs Hill, fetched back upstairs, to go to a nearby 6th-floor       window and correct his "mistake", with a shout and a gesture towards the       "nest" area, as if the shells had        just been discovered there. The apparent superfluousness of the Hill charade       undermines its intended message, which was: Shells found just now, right       here. But it was not "just now". Was it also not "right here"? How, that       is, do you get "6th floor"        out of "3rd floor"? And, ever since, it has been a bit of a mystery as to why       a second shell shout was even needed, because...                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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