From: willisdonald824@gmail.com   
      
   On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:22:12 PM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:   
   > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:26:14 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:    
   > > On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 11:01:06 PM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags Here   
   wrote:    
   > > > On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:44:14 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis   
   wrote:    
   > > > > Alan Ford, "Re Paul Landis" edforum 12/6/23:    
   > > > >    
   > > > > Ira Trantham, DPD; interview, HSCA 6/15/78:    
   > > > > "Seeing Inspector Sawyer at the front door [of the TSBD] he reported   
   for instructions. Sawyer advised they still were not certain where the gunfire   
   came from, but the best guess at that time was the TSBD.    
   > > > > By this time they were joined by Jerry Hill and he and Hill went   
   inside. Hill continued upstairs and an officer W.H. Desham (#7140 DPD)   
   approached him with a prisoner. Advised this subject had been observed 'acting   
   suspiciously' on the third    
   floor without a reasonable explanation for being up there."    
   > > > >    
   > > > > Very tantalizing. Especially as Sawyer about 20 minutes later said on   
   the DPD radio that they had found shells on the "3rd floor".    
   > > > >    
   > > > > Also note that Hill bumped into Sawyer at the front of the building.   
   In his testimony, he says that he went inside with him. Trantham was with   
   Sawyer, and Patrolman Valentine was with Hill, so it seems that all four went   
   in at the same time. (   
   Valentine later reported that he was "assigned to the fifth floor", so we know   
   that he went in & up.) This grand entrance would have been about 12:50 or so,   
   since Hill & Valentine radioed at 12:48 that they were on their way to "Elm &   
   Houston". And this    
   pretty much proves that Sawyer--despite testifying that he went in earlier,   
   about 12:34, actually went into the building about 12:50. And thus may have   
   actually been there at the discovery of the shells... on the "3rd floor". /???    
   > > > >    
   > > > > Note: He said "3rd floor" on the police radio, but, for reporters, he   
   said "5th floor". Did he mix up events on the two floors? Either one would   
   have been bad news for the official 6th-floor version.    
   > > > >    
   > > > > dcw    
   > > > But, according to the rest of the Trantham interview, that was Larry   
   Florer, whom we are told was arrested in another building.    
   > > Either he wasn't, or Sawyer & Hill covered a lot more ground than they   
   were supposed to have. Which is, I believe, part of your scenario, at least as   
   regards Sgt H...   
   > My impression is that Trantham didn't know what he was talking about.   
      
   That's what I thought, at first.  That he mixed up the County Rec bldg with   
   the TSBD.  But Hill & Sawyer means TSBD.  Still, that was 15 years later, &   
   memories fade.  BUT:  (and here things get complicated, as usual)  In   
   "Pictures of the Pain, Trask    
   quotes a Dallas Times Herald 11/22/63 story:  "Patrolman W.E. Barker   
   ["Barnett", Trask corrects, and those are his initials & Barnett was around   
   there at that time]... Barnett "saw workers in the TSBD pecking on a window   
   from the 3rd floor and pointing    
   to a man wearing horn-rimmed glasses, a plaid coat, and raincoat.  The officer   
   immediately arrested the man for questioning" & took him to the sheriff's.    
   Pretty definitely Florer.  In his 11/23/63 report, Chief Deputy Sweatt speaks   
   of the incident, too:    
    "A DPD officer brought a boy in a sport coat up & said, 'Here is the man that   
   had done the shooting'."   !!!  Rush to judgment, eh?  Sweatt does not say   
   where the officer & the arrestee came from, but he, Sweatt, was mainly taking   
   in the TSBD in his    
   report.     
      
   So... ???  Same-day Barnett confirms '78 Trantham.  And Trantham said   
   "prisoner", which would apply to Barnett's "arrested" man.     And, yes, I   
   know that Florer himself said "County Records building... 3rd floor", in his   
   own 11/22/63 county affidavit.     
   But "Hill"/"Sawyer"/"TSBD" (Trantham & Times Herald)/"3rd floor" says TSBD to   
   me.  My best educated guess is that the DPD did not want any ambiguity re the   
   TSBD (hence nixing Sawyer's story of a man with a rifle out back of the   
   building) and had Florer    
   subtly transfer his story to the 3rd floor of another building.  Especially as   
   Florer was the first man suspected of killing JFK.  (Bonnie Ray Williams, at   
   the "second window from the end", was the second suspect, I believe.    
   Again--no TSBD ambiguity was    
   wanted.)   
      
   And Sawyer's "3rd floor" shells?  All the blinds seem to have been drawn on   
   that floor at 12:30...   
      
   dcw   
      
      
      
   > I don't think Hill was involved with any arrest in Dealey Plaza. Though,   
   unless he's just lying, he probably did see Hill go into the building.   
      
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