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   On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 1:31:34 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:   
   > On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 5:37:10 AM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:    
   > > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:11:52 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:    
   > > > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:22:12 PM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags Here   
   wrote:    
   > > > > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 5:26:14 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis   
   wrote:    
   > > > > > On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 11:01:06 PM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags   
   Here wrote:    
   > > > > > > On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 9:44:14 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis   
   wrote:    
   > > > > > > > Alan Ford, "Re Paul Landis" edforum 12/6/23:    
   > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > Ira Trantham, DPD; interview, HSCA 6/15/78:    
   > > > > > > > "Seeing Inspector Sawyer at the front door [of the TSBD] he   
   reported for instructions. Sawyer advised they still were not certain where   
   the gunfire came from, but the best guess at that time was the TSBD.    
   > > > > > > > By this time they were joined by Jerry Hill and he and Hill went   
   inside. Hill continued upstairs and an officer W.H. Desham (#7140 DPD)   
   approached him with a prisoner. Advised this subject had been observed 'acting   
   suspiciously' on the    
   third floor without a reasonable explanation for being up there."    
   > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > Very tantalizing. Especially as Sawyer about 20 minutes later   
   said on the DPD radio that they had found shells on the "3rd floor".    
   > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > Also note that Hill bumped into Sawyer at the front of the   
   building. In his testimony, he says that he went inside with him. Trantham was   
   with Sawyer, and Patrolman Valentine was with Hill, so it seems that all four   
   went in at the same time.   
    (Valentine later reported that he was "assigned to the fifth floor", so we   
   know that he went in & up.) This grand entrance would have been about 12:50 or   
   so, since Hill & Valentine radioed at 12:48 that they were on their way to   
   "Elm & Houston". And    
   this pretty much proves that Sawyer--despite testifying that he went in   
   earlier, about 12:34, actually went into the building about 12:50. And thus   
   may have actually been there at the discovery of the shells... on the "3rd   
   floor". /???    
   > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > Note: He said "3rd floor" on the police radio, but, for   
   reporters, he said "5th floor". Did he mix up events on the two floors? Either   
   one would have been bad news for the official 6th-floor version.    
   > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > > dcw    
   > > > > > > But, according to the rest of the Trantham interview, that was   
   Larry Florer, whom we are told was arrested in another building.    
   > > > > > Either he wasn't, or Sawyer & Hill covered a lot more ground than   
   they were supposed to have. Which is, I believe, part of your scenario, at   
   least as regards Sgt H...    
   > > > > My impression is that Trantham didn't know what he was talking about.    
   > > > That's what I thought, at first. That he mixed up the County Rec bldg   
   with the TSBD. But Hill & Sawyer means TSBD. Still, that was 15 years later, &   
   memories fade. BUT: (and here things get complicated, as usual) In "Pictures   
   of the Pain, Trask    
   quotes a Dallas Times Herald 11/22/63 story: "Patrolman W.E. Barker   
   ["Barnett", Trask corrects, and those are his initials & Barnett was around   
   there at that time]... Barnett "saw workers in the TSBD pecking on a window   
   from the 3rd floor and pointing to    
   a man wearing horn-rimmed glasses, a plaid coat, and raincoat. The officer   
   immediately arrested the man for questioning" & took him to the sheriff's.   
   Pretty definitely Florer. In his 11/23/63 report, Chief Deputy Sweatt speaks   
   of the incident, too: "A    
   DPD officer brought a boy in a sport coat up & said, 'Here is the man that had   
   done the shooting'." !!! Rush to judgment, eh? Sweatt does not say where the   
   officer & the arrestee came from, but he, Sweatt, was mainly taking in the   
   TSBD in his report.    
   > > >    
   > > > So... ??? Same-day Barnett confirms '78 Trantham. And Trantham said   
   "prisoner", which would apply to Barnett's "arrested" man. And, yes, I know   
   that Florer himself said "County Records building... 3rd floor", in his own   
   11/22/63 county affidavit.    
   But "Hill"/"Sawyer"/"TSBD" (Trantham & Times Herald)/"3rd floor" says TSBD to   
   me. My best educated guess is that the DPD did not want any ambiguity re the   
   TSBD (hence nixing Sawyer's story of a man with a rifle out back of the   
   building) and had Florer    
   subtly transfer his story to the 3rd floor of another building. Especially as   
   Florer was the first man suspected of killing JFK. (Bonnie Ray Williams, at   
   the "second window from the end", was the second suspect, I believe. Again--no   
   TSBD ambiguity was    
   wanted.)    
   > > >    
   > > > And Sawyer's "3rd floor" shells? All the blinds seem to have been drawn   
   on that floor at 12:30...    
   > > >    
   > > > dcw    
   > > > > I don't think Hill was involved with any arrest in Dealey Plaza.   
   Though, unless he's just lying, he probably did see Hill go into the building.    
   > > There actually is a Patrolman W. E. Barker on the DPD force.   
   > Once again, I was misled by Trask...   
   Maybe not. There is film of Florer's arrest. Both officers are traffic   
   division, by their hats, and Barker is radio patrol. One of the officers is   
   the Raincoat Cop, Denham. And the other doesn't look like Barnett to me. It's   
   very weird. And there is an    
   FBI document which says that "Barker" was interviewed, and that he disputed   
   the newspaper article which you quoted. This is all very weird. And then   
   there's Jim Braden, who was also arrested for trying to make a third floor   
   telephone call. One wonders if    
   it is all connected.   
      
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