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|    Sam McClung to All    |
|    Possible reason for sending Florer into     |
|    11 Dec 23 18:24:31    |
      From: samamcclung@gmail.com              Assume the original plan as per Nagell's 10-8-67 letter was for Oswald to die       on the 6th floor by ingesting the cyanide capsule that Nagell mentioned was       between Oswald's teeth when Oswald came out of hypnotism. Tracy Barnes (on       Nagell's approved        correspondents list while Nagell was incarcerated and wrote his 10-8-67       letter) may have provided Nagell the details as a disgruntled employee after       Barnes was fired from the CIA in 1966.              Under this scenario it seems Oswald fleeing the 6th floor was not planned, the       plan being for Oswald to die in the original 6th floor nest as described by       Nagell.              " 'Having Oswald alive [after fleeing the 6th floor] ... and in custody ...       put us on the spot, real good,' Mooney said, chuckling."       per Sam Giancana, Double Cross, page 330              Oswald having been given instruction before the assassination to leave the       dismantled Carcano on the 3rd floor (per Kroman) may have been what he did       after he fled the 6th floor, dismantling the Carcano somewhere between the 6th       and 3rd floor,        inclusively. Either a contact for him to meet on the third floor was planned       or didn't become a reality until he fled the 6th floor.              In any event, so that Oswald wouldn't entirely figure out he was being framed,       the conspirators played along with the fact Oswald escaped the 6th floor alive       so they came up with a contact for Oswald to meet on the 3rd floor to give the       dismantled        Carcano to.              Assume Larry Florer was chosen as that contact and Oswald brough Florer the       dismantled Carcano on the 3rd floor, perhaps Oswald having been told Florer       would take the dismantled Carcano out of 411 Elm, which Florer apparently       didn't do.              Perhaps Florer left the dismantled Carcano on the 3rd floor or even gave it to       someone there. So that someone or someone else reassembled the Carcano and       planted it on the 5th floor where it was found by Ellsworth et alia on the 5th       floor after 1:30 pm        and filmed with Day and Fritz at 1:55 pm per the watch on Day's left wrist in       the extant "Alyea film" (a composite of frames from the 1:06 pm Mauser finding       and the 1:55 pm Carcano filming).              Note Loy Factor placed Oswald on the 6th floor with the Carcano.              Under the above scenario there never was a 2nd lunch room Oswald encounter by       Baker and Truly. Note the 2nd floor of 411 Elm was where the Command Post was       where Cliff Carter (LBJ's attorney), Sam Giancana, Jack Ruby (until he left to       cleanse Roscoe        White's sniping rifle from the north knoll parking lot), and a couple others       (maybe Richard Cain and Charles Nicoletti and even Felix Alderisio aka       Milwaukee Phil, until these 3 went to the 6th floor during the shooting, Cain       being the only one who fired        shots from the 6th floor, from the frame Oswald window) were.              After leaving the original frame Oswald site (6th floor, pro Castro pamphlets,       cloak and dagger on window sill, chicken bones in sack, etc. per Nagell's       letter) in 411 Elm, perhaps after being told he could do so by shill Shelley,       Oswald began to wonder        what was going on and began to realize he had some exposure. After leaving       1026 North Beckley and getting into Tippit's car with Tippit and White at some       point Oswald figured out he was in fact being framed and possibly even figured       out Tippit or White        was going to kill him, so Oswald jumped out of Tippit's car (per Ricky White)       and evaded Tippit and White and made it to the theater, Oswald never being in       the immediate vicinity of the Tippit murder which White took credit for.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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