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   Message 98,704 of 99,700   
   Sam McClung to All   
   Possible reason for sending Florer into    
   11 Dec 23 18:24:31   
   
   From: samamcclung@gmail.com   
      
   Assume the original plan as per Nagell's 10-8-67 letter was for Oswald to die   
   on the 6th floor by ingesting the cyanide capsule that Nagell mentioned was   
   between Oswald's teeth when Oswald came out of hypnotism. Tracy Barnes (on   
   Nagell's approved    
   correspondents list while Nagell was incarcerated and wrote his 10-8-67   
   letter) may have provided Nagell the details as a disgruntled employee after   
   Barnes was fired from the CIA in 1966.   
      
   Under this scenario it seems Oswald fleeing the 6th floor was not planned, the   
   plan being for Oswald to die in the original 6th floor nest as described by   
   Nagell.   
      
   " 'Having Oswald alive [after fleeing the 6th floor] ... and in custody ...   
   put us on the spot, real good,' Mooney said, chuckling."   
   per Sam Giancana, Double Cross, page 330   
      
   Oswald having been given instruction before the assassination to leave the   
   dismantled Carcano on the 3rd floor (per Kroman) may have been what he did   
   after he fled the 6th floor, dismantling the Carcano somewhere between the 6th   
   and 3rd floor,    
   inclusively. Either a contact for him to meet on the third floor was planned   
   or didn't become a reality until he fled the 6th floor.   
      
   In any event, so that Oswald wouldn't entirely figure out he was being framed,   
   the conspirators played along with the fact Oswald escaped the 6th floor alive   
   so they came up with a contact for Oswald to meet on the 3rd floor to give the   
   dismantled    
   Carcano to.   
      
   Assume Larry Florer was chosen as that contact and Oswald brough Florer the   
   dismantled Carcano on the 3rd floor, perhaps Oswald having been told Florer   
   would take the dismantled Carcano out of 411 Elm, which Florer apparently   
   didn't do.   
      
   Perhaps Florer left the dismantled Carcano on the 3rd floor or even gave it to   
   someone there. So that someone or someone else reassembled the Carcano and   
   planted it on the 5th floor where it was found by Ellsworth et alia on the 5th   
   floor after 1:30 pm    
   and filmed with Day and Fritz at 1:55 pm per the watch on Day's left wrist in   
   the extant "Alyea film" (a composite of frames from the 1:06 pm Mauser finding   
   and the 1:55 pm Carcano filming).   
      
   Note Loy Factor placed Oswald on the 6th floor with the Carcano.   
      
   Under the above scenario there never was a 2nd lunch room Oswald encounter by   
   Baker and Truly. Note the 2nd floor of 411 Elm was where the Command Post was   
   where Cliff Carter (LBJ's attorney), Sam Giancana, Jack Ruby (until he left to   
   cleanse Roscoe    
   White's sniping rifle from the north knoll parking lot), and a couple others   
   (maybe Richard Cain and Charles Nicoletti and even Felix Alderisio aka   
   Milwaukee Phil, until these 3 went to the 6th floor during the shooting, Cain   
   being the only one who fired    
   shots from the 6th floor, from the frame Oswald window) were.   
      
   After leaving the original frame Oswald site (6th floor, pro Castro pamphlets,   
   cloak and dagger on window sill, chicken bones in sack, etc. per Nagell's   
   letter) in 411 Elm, perhaps after being told he could do so by shill Shelley,   
   Oswald began to wonder    
   what was going on and began to realize he had some exposure. After leaving   
   1026 North Beckley and getting into Tippit's car with Tippit and White at some   
   point Oswald figured out he was in fact being framed and possibly even figured   
   out Tippit or White    
   was going to kill him, so Oswald jumped out of Tippit's car (per Ricky White)   
   and evaded Tippit and White and made it to the theater, Oswald never being in   
   the immediate vicinity of the Tippit murder which White took credit for.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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