From: willisdonald824@gmail.com   
      
   On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 2:46:50 PM UTC-8, NoTrueFlags Here wrote:   
   > On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 5:20:55 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:    
   > > On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 9:12:38 PM UTC-8, Donald Willis wrote:    
   > > > How "Braden"/Florer got on the police airwaves    
   > > >    
   > > > It all started with Insp. Sawyer, Sgt. Gerald Hill, Patrolman James   
   Valentine, and Officer Ira Trantham, at the front of the TSBD. "Jerry Hill and   
   [Trantham] went inside. Hill continued upstairs and an officer ap[proached him   
   with a prisoner.    
   Advised this subject had been observed 'acting suspiciously' on the third   
   floor without a reasonable explanantion for being up there... At the front   
   doorway, Sawyer was apprised of this development" and had Trantham take the   
   suspect to the sheriff's.--   
   Trantham's HSCA interview.    
   > > >    
   > > > "Shortly after, a DPD officer brought a boy in a sport coat up and said,   
   'Here is the man that had done the shooting'... Insp. Sawyer was informed of   
   this..."--Chief Criminal Deputy Allan Sweatt, Investigation Report 11/23/63.    
   > > >    
   > > > Quite a jump--from "acting suspiciously" to "the man that had done the   
   shooting". Why was the "prisoner" thought to be the man who shot Kennedy? The   
   man, as far as we know, had no weapon or bullets on him. Did he try to run?   
   Did he confess? The "   
   Braden"/Florer end of this puzzle will remain a puzzle. But, at the other   
   end...    
   > > >    
   > > > The Trantham interview corrects Sgt. Hill, who testified he went into   
   the building with Sawyer. The latter apparently went in a little later. How do   
   I know that he didn't go in earlier? Because, at 1pm, DPD Captain Talbert   
   radios, "I think that 5    
   and 9 (Lumpkin & Sawyer) both are still in the building." (CE 1974 p43) By   
   1:08, Sawyer seems to be out front again--Sgt. Harkness radios that   
   information & persons should be brought to Sawyer. (CE 1974 p50) And at 1:12,   
   Sawyer radios that hulls were    
   found on the "3rd floor".    
   > > >    
   > > > The Braden/Florer puzzle helps clear up the 1:12 puzzle. Sawyer has   
   heard that a man has been arrested, on the 3rd floor, for shooting. About   
   1:10, Sgt. Hill brings Sawyer up-to-date. He says that shells and scraps of   
   chicken have been found.    
   Whether or not Hill indicated the number of a floor for this find, we don't   
   know. But Sawyer ties Hill's information to the earlier 3rd-floor information   
   and radios that the shells were found on the "3rd floor". The old mystery   
   solved...    
   > > >    
   > > > But there was a secondary mystery. Sawyer told reporters that day that   
   shells and remains of fried chicken were found on the *fifth* floor. Where did   
   he get *that*? Educated guess: Chief Deputy Sheriff Allan Sweatt reported that   
   weekend that fellow    
   deputy Luke Mooney yelled out the "5th floor window" that "spent cartridge   
   cases" had been found there. Sawyer was apparently inside when Mooney cried   
   out and did not hear him. But I think that Sweatt must have heard Sawyer's   
   broadcast and went over to    
   tell him about the "fifth floor window". Hence, the adjusted story told to   
   reporters... Another mystery solved?    
   > > >    
   > > > dcw    
   > > I should note that these mystery solutions play hob with my old argument   
   that Sawyer's "3rd floor" meant 3rd-floor down, or 5th floor. That was one of   
   my arguments for a 5th-floor shooting site. But, no, it means "3rd floor", and   
   it was    
   misinformation to begin with. Fooey. Still, I continue to maintain that the   
   5th floor was the unofficial "nest". For two reasons: Brennan, Fischer,   
   Edwards, and Jackson all testified that the shooter's window was wide   
   open--thank you, David Belin, for    
   pursuing this; no thanks for not liking the inevitable conclusion. (There have   
   been rather feeble LN arguments against the validity of this four-way   
   corroboration.) And LL Hill's "second window" transmission was doubly covered   
   up: The witness who pointed    
   it out was "lost", and the ID of the patrolman who reported it was obfuscated   
   by attributing it to the wrong cop, Haygood, by both Haygood himself (who   
   maintained he knew nothing about the "lost" witness) and by transcriber Sgt.   
   Henslee. Subsequent, more-   
   honest transcriptions by the DPD & the FBI restored the transmission to Hill,   
   but too late to recall the dishonest witnesses. (LBJ was in much too much of a   
   hurry.) However, as I'm fond of noting, the Warren Report agreed with the   
   restoration to Hill! Oh-   
   -and I believe that the supposedly "lost" witness was Robert (wide open)   
   Jackson.    
   > >    
   > > And the only wide-open, 2nd-window from the SE end was on the 5th floor.   
   Yes, that was B.R. Williams' window, and note that he was asked at the   
   hearings if a man named Brennan ID'd him coming out of the building. He of   
   course denied all--Brennan was    
   supposed to have seen Norman & Jarman, not him. Also note that Brennan told   
   reporters that the gunman was "nice looking". That fits Williams somewhat more   
   than it does Oswald. Yes, that "second window" was a mistake--Williams was not   
   the shooter--but the    
   Commission, or rather the DPD, did not allow "mistakes", that is, anything   
   which took the focus off Oswald or the 6th-floor "nest". As also, see the   
   treatment of the other early suspect, the suspicious man on the 3rd floor! Or   
   was that a mistake?    
   > >    
   > > dcw   
   > The wide open window is a good point, but witnesses are funny. I'm sure a   
   black man was on the 5th floor, but at least some of these Wide Openers saw a   
   white man in that window. I'm willing to believe that they confused windows in   
   a way that makes my    
   interpretation correct. Bob Jackson himself confused, or conflated, the   
   (black) Chism family with the (white) Newman family in his first reports.   
   Witnesses will do things like that.   
      
   Yes, Fischer & Edwards, at least, and probably Brennan, saw an Oswald ringer   
   in the 5th-floor SE end window before 12:30.  Not sure anyone really saw much   
   of the actual shooter at that same window at 12:30--which shooter might have   
   been the man seen    
   before 12:30.  The second-window witness (Jackson probably) and Brennan saw   
   only Williams there.  At one point, I think Brennan was probably saying he saw   
   two people--the before-12:30 white man and the after-12:30 Williams.  Or maybe   
   he was too    
   discombobulated to say anything about that.  Williams was an error, there   
   mainly to send any witnesses of a white man up a floor...   
      
   dcw   
      
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