From: sirslick@fast.net   
      
   On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 11:17:17 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:   
   > Huckster claimed: "Ben, like many other posters here, avoids    
   > discussing the evidence and instead resorts to the logical fallacy of    
   > ad hominem. And spamming the group. He says the evidence is on his    
   > side, but where the rubber meets the road, he avoids every opportunity    
   > to discuss the evidence."    
   >    
   > Let's see how true that is...    
   >    
   >    
   > The Post Henry Is Afraid To Read Or Respond To:    
   >    
   > I asked for the following statement to be analyzed by believers:    
   >    
   > "The [autopsy] photographer was there, the corpsman who usually took    
   > pictures of damaged hearts and cirrhotic livers and other diseases. He    
   > was snapping away when he caught the attention of an FBI agent, who    
   > came up to him and asked for his clearance. 'Clearance?' said the    
   > corpsman. 'This is my job.' The agent took away his camera, exposed    
   > all the film, and threw him out. (The exposed film is in the archive.)    
   > 'We've got our own man taking pictures,' the FBI agent said. The FBI    
   > photographer, who had clearance, was in the same quandary as Humes. He    
   > had never taken autopsy pictures before and was untrained in    
   > photographing gunshot wounds. The photographs of the body's interior    
   > were out of focus ... Before the President was buried, no one, either    
   > in Dallas or Washington, looked at both sides of the body, front and    
   > back, and realized that a bullet had entered the back and exited the    
   > throat ... ." - Michael Baden "Unnatural Death - Confessions of a    
   > Medical Examiner", pg. 10-11    
      
     Conspiracy hobbyists insist on looking at all the wrong things. Instead of   
   looking at the findings this expert produced, he looks everywhere but. He does   
   this because he has no real interest in what occurred.   
       
   > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++    
   > Dale refused to answer, Patty refused to answer, only Henry managed    
   > enough courage to post a response.    
   > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++    
   >    
   > The cowardice exhibited by believers in this forum is incredible...    
   > they are CONSTANTLY running ... every single one of them ... even    
   > Henry, who *did*, to his credit, offer his analysis. So now it's time    
   > to show just how cowardly and dishonest believers are:    
   >    
   > > Sure. Baden wasn't there, so he is repeating hearsay for the most    
   > > part. Who was there who said all this and why don't you quote some    
   > > actual testimony instead of hearsay? let's go through that statement    
   > > sentence by sentence and see how much Baden can actually confirm by    
   > > claiming he witnessed it."    
   >    
   > This, of course, is very poor analysis indeed... Henry is presuming    
   > that Dr. Baden is being used as evidence... but refuses to LOOK AT    
   > WHAT IS BEING SAID.    
   >    
   > Or, more accurately, Henry *KNOWS* that what Dr. Baden is saying is    
   > garbage, but is unwilling to correct Dr. Baden - who is a fellow    
   > believer.    
   >    
   > Nor was Henry ever concerned with the use of Dr. Baden as an expert.    
   > Here's a few examples from Lil Dale:    
   >    
   > "Read especially Dr. Baden's quote - it annihilates Ben's entire set    
   > of beliefs."    
   >    
   > "Dr. Baden exposes your little charade, doesn't he?"    
   >    
   > "Dr. Baden stated it best: the Parkland doctors were WRONG"    
   >    
   > Now, Henry was no-where to be found when Lil Dale was citing Dr. Baden    
   > to counter what the Parkland doctors stated - and Henry had nothing to    
   > say about "hearsay" being used to counter first-hand knowledge.    
   >    
   > HENRY HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO SAY WHEN DR. BADEN WAS BEING USED AS    
   > AN EXPERT WITNESS TO COUNTER *ACTUAL* EYEWITNESSES!    
   >    
   > But *NOW* - when actually quoting Dr. Baden - it's suddenly hearsay.    
   > :)    
   >    
   > Perhaps because he knows quite well just how wrong Dr. Baden is on    
   > these statements - and since Dr. Baden is a believer - doesn't wish to    
   > denigrate him.    
   >    
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   > "The [autopsy] photographer was there, the corpsman who usually took    
   > pictures of damaged hearts and cirrhotic livers and other diseases."    
   > ****************    
   >    
   > >Hearsay.    
   >    
   > No Henry... it's not "hearsay" - it's flat WRONG. The photographer was    
   > John Stringer, who as Dr. Humes pointed out "The medical school's    
   > director of photography was a civilian, John Stringer." - not a    
   > corpsman.    
   >    
   > Nor was the implication that the photographer hadn't ever photographed    
   > an autopsy before correct... as Dr. Humes pointed out, Stringer was    
   > "one of the best medical photographers in the world."    
   >    
   > So here's two errors OF FACT that Dr. Baden is guilty of... yet you    
   > refer only to this as "hearsay".    
   >    
   > ****************    
   > "He was snapping away when he caught the attention of an FBI agent,    
   > who came up to him and asked for his clearance."    
   > ****************    
   >    
   > >Hearsay.    
   >    
   > No Henry... again, IT IS FLAT WRONG. Those familiar with the evidence    
   > know that the Secret Service stopped Stringer's assistant, Floyd    
   > Reibe, not the FBI.    
   >    
   > Once again, you know that the statement is false, yet you hide that    
   > fact behind a charge of "hearsay".    
   >    
   > ****************    
   > " 'Clearance?' said the corpsman. 'This is my job.' The agent took    
   > away his camera, exposed all the film, and threw him out. (The exposed    
   > film is in the archive.)"    
   > ****************    
   >    
   > >Hearsay.    
   >    
   > Again, it wasn't the FBI... it was the Secret Service. It's not    
   > "hearsay" - it's WRONG.    
   >    
   > Ironically, we see here one of the few accuracies that Dr. Baden is    
   > guilty of - the exposing of film.    
   >    
   > ****************    
   > " 'We've got our own man taking pictures,' the FBI agent said."    
   > ****************    
   >    
   > >Hearsay.    
   >    
   > No Henry... once again, it's WRONG. There was no FBI photographer    
   > there, and you should certainly know that historical fact.    
   >    
   > That you try to camouflage Dr. Baden's incorrect statements as    
   > "hearsay" without stating that he was WRONG shows your bias against    
   > the truth.    
   >    
   > ****************    
   > "The FBI photographer, who had clearance, was in the same quandary as    
   > Humes."    
   > ****************    
   >    
   > >Hearsay.    
   >    
   > There was no FBI photographer. Dr. Baden was flat wrong. If a critic    
   > were to write a book, and have half the false statements we see here -    
   > you'd go ballistic. But since it's a Warren Commission defender making    
   > these false statements - you refuse to correct him.    
   >    
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