From: chuckschuyler123@gmail.com   
      
   On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:03:20 AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:   
   > On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 21:37:03 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler    
   >  wrote:   
   > >On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 10:25:08?AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:    
   > >    
   > >> My Scenario Part 1    
   > >>    
   > >> First - a quick review is in order. I've demonstrated that I will do    
   > >> precisely what I say I will: to wit, I will match in length, detail,    
   > >> and number of citations any scenario posted by a believer. I've done    
   > >> so repeatedly, and invariably, believers then run away.    
   > >    
   > > We don't have a "scenario" separate from the historical null    
   > > hypothesis.   
   > Yet you run away from your OWN scenario daily.    
   >    
   > You demand we support what we say, THEN REPEATEDLY REFUSE TO SUPPORT    
   > WHAT *YOU* SAY.   
   > > And you've never posted a scenario. Ever.   
      
   > Yet I say I have.   
      
   Because you enjoy lying.   
      
    >**YOU** admit you've never posted a scenario. Why    
   > not?    
      
   Because I don't have one that differs from the historical null hypothesis:   
   Oswald alone, no KNOWN help. Even JFK's library links to the WCR for visitors   
   who want to learn about the assassination. Your Magnum Opus somehow didn't   
   make the cut.   
   >    
   >    
   > >> From Walter F. Graf and Richard R. Bartholomew:    
   > >    
   > >Who?   
      
   > Are you too stupid to be able to find out?   
      
   Didn't they build dirigibles for the Kaiser in the early 1900s or something?   
   Or maybe they wrote songs on tin pan alley in the 1920s. Anyways, who cares.   
      
      
   > >> "From the beginning, there has been no reason to deny the conspiracy.    
   > >    
   > >What conspiracy?   
      
   > The one that took JFK's life.   
      
   Unknown snipers firing unknown weapons from unknown directions causing   
   unstated wounds to JFK? That conspiracy?   
      
   > >> Four of the seven Warren Commissioners -- the majority -- including    
   > >> the Commission's chairman, Chief Justice Earl Warren, expressed doubts    
   > >> about the Commission's conclusions within a decade of their report.    
   > >> They were joined by a fifth Commissioner in 1978, when John J. McCloy    
   > >> told the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), that "I no    
   > >> longer feel we had no credible evidence or reliable evidence in regard    
   > >> to a conspiracy...." Lyndon Johnson never believed the report he    
   > >> commissioned.    
   > >   
   > >They all believed...    
   >    
   >    
   > Logical fallacy deleted.   
   > >>The official policy of the FBI is that the case is not    
   > >> closed, a policy begun by J. Edgar Hoover himself.    
   > >    
   > >Cite that this is the FBI's "official" policy.   
      
   > Will you acknowledge your lie if I do?   
      
   Sure.   
      
   > >> And those were the    
   > >> people who had supposedly found the truth.    
   > >>    
   > >> By any standard of historiography, the lone-assassin scenario must be    
   > >> considered a minority opinion which is contrary to the known evidence.    
   > >    
   > >Nah.   
      
   > Not a refutation.    
      
   Indeed. I don't need to refute what you assert without evidence. You're   
   shifting the burden for the 1,221,001,158,990 time since you've been posting   
   here.   
   >    
   > And indeed, polling shows that it *IS* factually a minority opinion.   
   > >> Yet that is not enough for a vocal minority of conspiracy deniers."    
   > >>    
   > >> Unfortunately, the sole kook who kept referring to the "historical    
   > >> record" - has left this forum, and refuses to defend himself anymore.    
   > >    
   > >From what?   
      
   > The facts and evidence.    
      
   The facts and evidence that prove to you that on 11/22/63, some people did   
   something?   
   >    
   >    
   > > Stop shifting the burden    
   >    
   >    
   > Stop running from your burden.   
      
   > > and produce something before the lights go out here.   
      
   > They only "go out" for cheapskates.   
      
   That would be me.   
      
   > >> But as Graf & Bartholomew point out, there never has been anything    
   > >> other than a minority opinion which is CONTRARY TO THE KNOWN    
   > >> EVIDENCE... as I write this scenario, I'll be pointing out time and    
   > >> time again the evidence which conflicts with the tale told by the    
   > >> Commission (and not even supported by a majority of those    
   > >> Commissioners as more information came to light.)    
   > >    
   > >Keep picking nits.   
   > Facts are not "nits."   
   > > Keep shooting spitballs at the Warren Commission Report.   
      
   > "Spitballs" you can't refute???    
   >    
   >    
   > > Your hobby ends on February 22nd, and then it's back the the Encino Judo   
   Club for you...    
   >    
   >    
   > Au contraire... it's *YOUR* hobby that ends when you can't afford to    
   > continue.   
      
   Yeah, I'll be gone. It'll be you and Gil and the spammers   
      
   > >> Now, while it's true that I've challenged believers many times to post    
   > >> their scenario, it's clear that Conan was the last believer who would    
   > >> ever *DARE* do so.    
   > >    
   > >If I recall, Conan posted here for a hot few minutes, figured out you were   
   a troll, and left. Smart.   
   > Asserting that you're stupid is hardly an argument.   
   > >> And Chickenshit is going to continue to claim that no scenario has    
   > >> ever been posted by a critic.    
   > >    
   > >No critic at this board--at least since I've posted here for two   
   decades--has ever posted a scenario. Ever.   
   > You're lying again, of course.    
   >    
   > And it's simple provable FACT that you've never posted a scenario.   
   > >> He'll be lying, of course... watch, as I dismantle the Warren    
   > >> Commission's case and present my scenario...    
   > >    
   > >Dismantle the Warren Commission's case?   
   > Indeed. You ran the first time I posted this series, you'll end up    
   > running again.    
   >    
   >    
   >    
   > >> (And yes, it's impossible to post a conspiratorial scenario *without*    
   > >> demolishing the Warren Commission's.)    
   > >>    
   > >> This **IS** a scenario    
   > >    
   > >...in your opinion.   
   > In yours as well - your abject refusal to post a scenario proving it.   
   > >> despite any whining from believers who can't    
   > >> post their scenario... and it does indeed conflict with, and explain    
   > >> the evidence better than the Warren Commission did.    
   > >    
   > >...in your opinion.   
   > Not a refutation.   
   > >> This post, in all it's parts, meets ANY POSSIBLE DEFINITION of    
   > >> "scenario" that Chickenshit can post... yet I predict that he'll deny    
   > >> that I've posted a scenario... watch for it!    
   > >    
   > >You'll never post a scenario.   
   > Provably a lie.   
   > >Start with telling us what time JFK's body arrived at Bethesda.   
   > Carry your burden.   
   > >> The most interesting beginning for any investigation into the    
      
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