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   Message 99,293 of 99,700   
   Bud to Chuck Schuyler   
   Re: Why I believe the Govenment's Case A   
   16 Jan 24 18:18:12   
   
   From: sirslick@fast.net   
      
   On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 8:59:06 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:   
   > On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 4:40:44 AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:    
   >    
   >    
   > > I am not a conspiracy theorist.   
   > Liar.   
   > >By that, I mean that I don't see conspiracies under every rock. You won't   
   see me writing about popular conspiracy theories like 9/11, Sandy Hook, Flight   
   800 or the Moon Landing.   
   > So?   
   > >    
   > > But I have a problem with the government's case against Lee Harvey Oswald.   
   I believe that the Dallas Police/ FBI/ Warren Commission's case against Oswald   
   was fraudulent.   
   > Apparently the world revolves around how Gil Jesus feels about the JFK   
   assassination.   
   > >    
   > > There are several reasons why I believe this and this is the 4th reason.   
   In my opinion, these reasons are the "smoking guns" of Oswald's innocence. Not   
   only were many of the steps taken by authorities ILLEGAL, they do not fall   
   into any category of    
   what a normal homicide investigation would involve.    
   > >    
   > > In the first three installments of this series, I've listed the reasons   
   as: a.) the level of corruption in the Dallas prosecutorial system, b.) the   
   way the authorities handled Oswald and c.) the way the authorities handled the   
   evidence.    
   > >    
   > > Reason # 4. The way the authorities handled the witnesses.    
   > >    
   > > Evidence of witness intimidation through harassment and threats    
   > >    
   > > One example of witness coercion comes from the testimony of W.W.   
   Litchfield II, who told the FBI that he saw a man who looked like Oswald in   
   the Carousel Club.    
   > > He told the Commission that the FBI threats definitely had an effect on   
   how he answered their questions:    
   > >    
   > > Mr. HUBERT. I gather that you were more positive of the identity of Oswald   
   as being the man in the Carousel on the occasion we have been speaking about   
   at one time than you are now?    
   > > Mr. LITCHFIELD. I was; yes.    
   > > Mr. HUBERT. What has caused your opinion in the matter to weaken?    
   > > Mr. LITCHFIELD. The fact that they gave me the polygraphic test, that   
   showed when they asked me–was it definitely him, it didn’t show up right,   
   and the fact that I had told Don when I called him, I said, “It sure as heck   
   looks like him,” and    
   when the police were questioning me, they said, “Are you positive, are you   
   positive, are you positive?” I said, “It looks like him, it looks like   
   him, it looks like him.” And they come back, “Are you positive, are you   
   positive?”    
   > > And then the fact that when the Federal agents talked to me, they said,   
   “You know, if you say you are positive and it wasn’t him,” it’s a   
   Federal charge, and I said, “Well, I’m not that positive.”    
   > > Mr. HUBERT. The Federal agent told you if you gave an opinion—    
   > > Mr. LITCHFIELD. No; they said, “If you give false information as to an   
   exact statement–” not an opinion, but if I say I’m positive, that’s a   
   statement.    
   > > Mr. HUBERT. But, what has caused you to weaken in your opinion it was   
   Oswald, as you tell it to me, is the fact that you got the impression that if   
   you gave a positive identification and it proved to be false, that it would be   
   a Federal offense, is    
   that correct ?    
   > > Mr. LITCHFIELD. Yes; they said giving false information to the FBI, and   
   I’m not 100 percent pure positive. I say, “It bears a close    
   esemblance,” and this is all I can say.    
   > > Mr. HUBERT. And that’s all you did tell them ?    
   > > Mr. LITCHFIELD. Yes, sir; that’s the statement I signed. ( 14 H 107-108   
   )    
   > >    
   > > The FBI used threats against witnesses who were sure of what they saw to   
   make them appear less sure in the official record.    
   > > This same tactic was used on witnesses who said they were “positive”   
   that the man they saw was not Oswald.    
   > >    
   > > This is why Federal agents were present during the questioning of   
   witnesses at several different locations including the Tippit murder scene,   
   the Dallas Police station and the Texas Theater, when the FBI had no legal   
   jurisdiction in any of these    
   crimes.    
   > >    
   > > They were there to hear, question and intimidate witnesses.    
   > >    
   > > These tactics seemed to work. Original stories like the one of Charles   
   Givens, who at first said he saw Oswald on the first floor at 11:50 and then   
   said he hadn’t seen Oswald all morning.    
   > >    
   > > Or Domingo Benavides, who was 15 feet away from the Tippit killer but was   
   afraid of not being able to identify the killer if he said he could, so he   
   declined to view a lineup.    
   > >    
   > > But in the case of Marina Oswald, the threat was to deport her if she   
   didn’t “cooperate” with the “investigation”. Deportation would have   
   meant that she would have gone back to Russia without her kids, who were   
   American citizens by birth.    
   She’d go, they’d stay. The threat of losing her children would have been   
   enough to make ANY mother tell them what they wanted to hear. True or not.    
   > >    
   > > The intimidation of Marina Oswald    
   > >    
   > > More evidence of FBI intimidation and threats of witnesses comes no less   
   from Oswald’s brother Robert, who told the Commission that he overheard the   
   FBI threaten to deport Marina Oswald if she did not cooperate with them.    
   > >    
   > > Mr. OSWALD. In my presence. And the tone of the reply between this gentle   
   man and Mr. Gopadze, and back to Marina, it was quite evident there was a   
   harshness there, and that Marina did not want to speak to the FBI at that   
   time. And she was refusing    
   to. They were insisting, sir. And they implied in so many words, as I sat   
   there–if I might state–with Secret Service Agent Gary Seals, of Mobile,   
   Ala.–we were opening the first batch of mail that had come to Marina and   
   Lee’s attention, and we    
   were perhaps just four or five feet away from where they were attempting this   
   interview, and it came to my ears that they were implying that if she did not   
   cooperate with the FBI agent there, that this would perhaps–I say, again, I   
   am implying–in so    
   many words, that they would perhaps deport her from the United States and back   
   to Russia. ( 1 H 410 )    
   > >    
   > > The FBI even brought an agent from the Immigration and Naturalization   
   Service all the way from New York into the Inn at Six Flags ( where Marina was   
   to be kept incommunicado for two months ) to scare Marina and “advise her to   
   help” the FBI:    
   > >    
   > > Mr. RANKIN. Did you see anyone from the Immigration Service during this   
   period of time ?    
      
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