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   Message 99,330 of 99,700   
   Hank Sienzant to Ben Holmes   
   Re: The Truth That WCR Believers Run Fro   
   22 Jan 24 15:34:16   
   
   From: hsienzant@aol.com   
      
   On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:15:58 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:   
   > Does anyone sense any pattern of evidence here? Is there any believer    
   > willing to say the words "white shirt?" Is there a *SINGLE* honest    
   > believer who will publicly admit what the evidence here shows? Can    
   > *any* believer admit that Oswald doesn't fit this description?    
   >    
   > Johnny Brewer peeked through the curtains and pointed to a man wearing    
   > a long-sleeved brown shirt and told Westbrook, "The man in the 4th row    
   > from the back in the middle aisle is the man." But the suspect sitting    
   > at the rear of the semi-darkened theater did not fit the description    
   > of the man who shot Tippit.    
      
   Hilarious! Brewer was *NOT* a witness to the Tipping shooting, and he was   
   *NOT* identifying the man he thought shot Tippit.   
      
   He was pointing out the man he saw acting suspiciously immediately outside the   
   shoe store he worked at.    
      
   Your attempt to get Brewer’s identification of Oswald as that man thrown out   
   falls flat.    
      
   Here’s how Brewer described the suspiciously acting man:   
   == quote ==    
      
   Mr. BREWER - He was a little man, about 5'9", and weighed about 150 pounds is   
   all.   
   Mr. BELIN - How tall are you, by the way?   
   Mr. BREWER - Six three.   
   Mr. BELIN - So you say he was about 5'9"?   
   Mr. BREWER - About 5'9".   
   Mr. BELIN - And about 150?   
   Mr. BREWER - And had brown hair. He had a brown sports shirt on. His shirt   
   tail was out.   
   Mr. BELIN - Any jacket?   
   Mr. BREWER - No.   
   …   
   Mr. BREWER - Yes; and she called the police, and we went----Butch went to the   
   front exit, and I went down by the stage to the back exit and stood there   
   until the police came.   
   Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?   
   Mr. BREWER - Well, just before they came. they turned the house lights on, and   
   I looked out from the curtains and saw the man.   
   == unquote ==   
      
   You point out Oswald was dressed that way, so Brewer’s identification is   
   *NOT* invalid based on the clothing. Moreover, we don't know how much of the   
   identification was based on the clothing versus the face — 10%, 90%, or   
   somewhere in between.    
   Clearly, Oswald looked like the man Brewer saw. Brewer pointed him out.   
      
      
   > From the statements of eyewitnesses the    
   > police dispatcher reported the suspect was wearing a white jacket    
   > (discarded at the Texaco station) and a white T-shirt, yet the man    
   > pointed out by Brewer to Captain Westbrook was wearing a long-sleeved,    
   > dark brown shirt.    
      
   Because that’s what the man acting suspiciously was wearing when Brewer saw   
   him.    
   Thanks for conceding Brewer pointed out the right guy — the guy he saw.   
        
      
   >    
   > Does anyone sense a conflict between how all the witnesses described    
   > the murderer and the actual person arrested? Will any honest believer    
   > publicly acknowledge this?    
      
   Sure — the Tippit witnesses were all over the map in terms of the jacket   
   color and style.   
   That doesn't invalidate Brewer pointing out Oswald as the man he saw acting   
   suspiciously in the least.   
      
   And don't forget, Brewer saw Oswald punch Officer McDonald AND pull a revolver   
   on that officer.   
   Curious, that, don't you think if Oswald wasn't guilty of anything?   
   How did Oswald come into possession of the weapon that could be linked to the   
   shells the gunman was seen discarding after shooting Tippit?   
      
      
   >    
   > I know it requires absolutely basic thinking skills to recognize that    
   > Oswald wasn't wearing a white shirt, and that he simply didn't fit the    
   > mass of eyewitness descriptions.    
      
   He was wearing a white T-shirt, which could be all that was visible under a   
   zipper jacket with a shirt not buttoned to the collar. And again, we don't   
   know how much of the identification of Oswald was based on the clothing versus   
   the face — 10%, 90%,    
   or somewhere in between. For example, Markham said:   
   == quote ==   
      
   Mrs. MARKHAM. When I saw the man. But I wasn't sure, so, you see, I told them   
   I wanted to be sure, and looked, at his face is what I was looking at, mostly   
   is what I looked at, on account of his eyes, the way he looked at me. So I   
   asked them if they    
   would turn him sideways. They did, and then they turned him back around, and I   
   said the second, and they said, which one, and I said number two. So when I   
   said that, well, I just kind of fell over. Everybody in there, you know, was   
   beginning to talk, and    
   I don't know, just--   
   Mr. BALL. Did you recognize him from his clothing?   
   Mrs. MARKHAM. He had on a light short jacket, dark trousers. I looked at his   
   clothing, but I looked at his face, too.   
   …   
   Mr. BALL. Did you recognize the man from his clothing or from his face?   
   Mrs. MARKHAM. Mostly from his face.   
   == unquote ==   
      
      
   >    
   > Amusingly, the suspect in a white shirt **WAS** arrested at the    
   > theater... as the website "Kennedyandking.com" notes: Bernard Haire,    
   > owner of a hobby shop two doors from the theater, walked out the rear    
   > of his shop shortly before 2:00 PM and saw police cars backed up to    
   > Madison Street.    
      
   According to Marrs, Haire pointed himself out in photographs in front of the   
   theatre at the time of Oswald’s arrest. He only mentions recalling seeing   
   one arrest, not two. Ergo, he saw Oswald’s arrest in front of the theatre,   
   and nearly two decades    
   later, simply remembered it as at the back of the theatre.   
      
   That makes more sense than Haire forgetting one arrest entirely, doesn't it?   
      
   Also, where is the arrest documents for this other man? Where are the   
   arresting officers? Where are the witnesses from inside or outside the theatre   
   that saw two arrests?   
      
   There’s nothing that corroborates Haire’s decades later recollection.    
      
   Nothing.    
      
      
   > He watched as the police escorted a man from the rear    
   > of the Texas Theater wearing a "white pullover shirt." They placed the    
   > man in a squad car and drove away. He noticed the man was very "flush"    
   > in the face as though he had been in a struggle. Haire's description    
   > of this man-"white shirt" with a "flush face"-is consistent with    
   > witness statements of Tippit's killer before, during and after the    
   > shooting.    
      
   Except Haire identified himself in photos taken at the time Oswald wasrought   
   from the theatre in the front of the theatre.   
      
      
   > For 25 years Mr. Haire and other witnesses thought they had    
      
   What OTHER WITNESSES???   
      
      
   > witnessed the arrest of Oswald behind the Texas Theater in the alley.    
   > When told Oswald was brought out the front of the theater Haire asked    
   > "Then who was the person I saw police take out the rear of the    
      
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