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   Message 99,591 of 99,700   
   Hank Sienzant to Donald Willis   
   Re: Whaley's "Neches" wrecks Warren Repo   
   17 Feb 24 20:57:57   
   
   From: hsienzant@aol.com   
      
   On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:29:24 PM UTC-5, Donald Willis wrote:   
   > Whaley's "Neches" wrecks Warren Report's Oswald/Tippit timeline    
   >    
   > Apparently, the Warren Commission panicked when witness William W. Whaley   
   went off-script, on 3/12/64, and testified that he dropped Oswald off at   
   "Neches and North Beckley".  (In his 11/23/63 affidavit, Whaley mentions only   
   "500 block of North Beckley"   
   .)  That would have screwed up the official eta of Oswald at 10th & Patton of   
   1:16. (Warren Report p158)  As the WR says, "Neches is within one-half block   
   of the rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley where Oswald was living." (WRp162)    
   That would, in fact,    
   seem to have been an ideal spot for Oswald to get out of the cab--not right in   
   front of the house, but close, as Norman Redlich here acknowledges.  Close   
   enough perhaps, that is, for Oswald to see without being seen.  The   
   Commission--which had all the    
   time in the world--went so far as to recall Whaley, who capitulated and now   
   said that he left Oswald off at "the intersection of Beckley and Neely"   
   (4/8/64 testimony p429), at (as per the WR p158) 12:54.  That would have meant   
   a walk of about 6 minutes    
   to get to the rooming house. (WR pp158, 163)  Then another 3 minutes before   
   departing, arriving at 10th & Patton about 1:16. (WRp158)  A 13-minute walk.    
   However, Whaley's blundering, out-of-left-field reference to "Neches" throws   
   that timeline a bit out    
   of whack.  Dutifully, he retains "Beckley" through it all, from affidavit to   
   testimony to corrected testimony.  But as a cab driver, he must have known   
   that Neches and Beckley did not actually intersect--certainly he did know by   
   11/22/63.  In fact, that    
   might have been where Oswald actually instructed him to go, Neches near   
   Beckley.  How else would Whaley have latched on to "Neches"?  To reconstruct   
   the adjusted timeline:  Out of cab 12:54 on Neches.  Rooming house 12:55.    
   Leaving rooming house 12:58.     
   10th & Patton 1:11.    
   >    
   > Leaving Oswald patiently waiting around for Tippit to show up, four or five   
   minutes later.  However, no witness saw the gunman do any such waiting, just   
   walking.    
   >    
   > Revised, adjusted timeline, then, for Oswald:  Leaving rooming house 12:58.    
   Arriving Texas Theatre 1:16.  No stopovers.    
   >    
      
   So you eliminated Whaley simply misspeaking and saying “Neches” when he   
   meant “Neely” exactly how?   
      
   As you admit,    
      
   1. Whaley testified ‘he dropped Oswald off at "Neches and North Beckley”.   
   ‘   
      
   *AND*   
      
   2. “Neches and Beckley did not actually intersect”.   
      
   *AND*   
      
   3. “his 11/22/63 affidavit says the correct intersection was the 500 block   
   of North Beckley.”   
      
   So, me, being a reasonable person and all that that entails, when I put   
   tsimply concludes Whaley misspoke, and said “Neches” when he meant   
   “Neely”.   
      
   And since the revolver in evidence matches the shells in evidence, and the   
   revolver in evidence is traceable to Oswald, and numerous witnesses at the   
   scene said the gunman discarded the shells from his handgun, tossing them   
   aside as he walked away from    
   the crime scene, and since Oswald punched McDonald and drew his handgun on   
   him, and since numerous witnesses picked Oswald out of lineups as the gunman   
   (stuff you don't admit).   
      
   I sometimes wonder if you're just trolling here, mocking conspiracy   
   “logic” by ignoring the reasonable conclusion and deliberately reaching   
   the most far-fetched conclusion possible.   
      
   But then I remember folks like Mark Lane, Sylvia Meagher, and Harold Weisberg   
   actually published books with conclusions at least as far-fetched as yours.   
      
   > dcw   
      
   Hank   
      
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