XPost: uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.british, alt.politics   
   From: banana@REMOVE_THIS.borve.demon.co.uk   
      
   In article <3pnuf2Fbfjb7U1@individual.net>, Gaz  writes   
      
   >Logician wrote:   
   >> Gaz wrote:   
   >>> "banana"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:HCh54KAr$ZNDFwvr@borve.demon.co.uk...   
      
      
      
   >When I lived in the US, I drank underage, and used somebody elses fake id to   
   >get booze....   
      
   Which is a criminal offence of dishonesty. I don't know the details of   
   the relevant jurisdiction, but since it involves obtaining stuff by   
   deception, it probably constitutes fraud.   
      
   Does this mean you have no plans to stand again for public office?   
      
   Obviously people like Blair and Bush are mass murderers, major   
   criminals... Equally obviously, whether the rulers and their   
   errand-boys obey or break the law is purely a matter of expedience.   
      
   What interests me is whether the culture is tending towards a position   
   where lying about previous convictions, or being known to have done a   
   bit of drug-taking, importuning, wife-beating, drug-smuggling,   
   racketeering, having your business opponents whacked, etc., is viewed as   
   indicating that a politician or official has 'got character'.   
      
   In some countries this is already the case.   
      
   --   
   banana     "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you   
               give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to   
               Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the   
               rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)