XPost: uk.current-events.terrorism, uk.politics.misc, alt.conspiracy   
   From: banana@REMOVE_THIS.borve.demon.co.uk   
      
   In article <1130836755.732135.182480@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Rev.   
   11D Meow!  writes   
      
   >Low-bandwidth compression methods sound exactly like what you describe.   
   >Listen to any 8Kbps-56Kbps 'Internet Radio' show for comparison.   
      
   I heard it over the airwaves, not on the internet, and it was broadcast   
   originally on the airwaves too (by Al Jazeera), so I am not sure why   
   such compression might have been used.   
      
   >That isn't to say it wasn't fake.   
   >   
   >It is to say what you describe is not enough to claim it is fake on its   
   >own merit.   
   >   
   >If it was a fake, wouldn't one think it obvious one would create a   
   >recording that didn't sound obviously faked?  Especially these days?   
      
   Good question. Maybe they wanted to be 'in your face'? Look at the Nick   
   Berg execution video, featuring a type of chair that is standard-issue   
   in the US military, and that appears in photos of torture at Abu Graibh;   
   and other elements that make that tape appear very dodgy.   
      
   >I have tapes that are over thirty years old that I can make sound   
   >better than new using modern noise-reduction and other repair   
   >techniques.   
   >   
   >Why would someone want to put out something that 'sounds fake' to hide   
   >a fake, eh?   
   >   
   >Unless, OMG, unless 'they' want to put out an obvious fake to hide some   
   >other aspect of what's really going on there.   
      
   Do McDonalds give a shit about people's health? Obviously not. But   
   they're spending a lot on saying they do. Anyone without any sense can   
   understand that they're lying. It truly is 'obvious'. But they say it   
   anyway, and people are influenced by what they say. Rarely do they chuck   
   advertising money in the bin.   
      
   You can get something that's obvious to those who think for themselves,   
   but when they tell people who don't, they get thought of as loonies.   
   Cultural manipulation is very sophisticated, and the culture is very   
   schizoid. Astroturf [*] groups, all kinds of stuff. Two aims go along   
   with each other:   
      
       1) making it a real no-no, for most of the population,   
          even to question the propaganda message   
      
       2) making those who do think for themselves get increasingly   
          condemned as outcasts and pro-terrorist, displayers of   
          'anti-social behaviour', 'enemies of the people', 'n*gger-loving   
          commie queers'   
      
   In short, 'would a real murderer have left so many clues'? Yeah, they   
   may well have... Most of the audience is as mind-fucked as shit, and   
   getting more so...   
      
      
      
   (*) For those who haven't met the term before, an 'astroturf' group is a   
   fake grass-roots group.   
      
   --   
   banana     "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you   
               give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to   
               Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the   
               rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)