XPost: uk.current-events.terrorism, uk.politics.misc, alt.conspiracy   
   From: vandar69@yahoo.com   
      
   banana wrote:   
      
   > In article <1130836755.732135.182480@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Rev.   
   > 11D Meow!  writes   
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   >>Low-bandwidth compression methods sound exactly like what you describe.   
   >>Listen to any 8Kbps-56Kbps 'Internet Radio' show for comparison.   
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   >   
   > I heard it over the airwaves, not on the internet, and it was broadcast   
   > originally on the airwaves too (by Al Jazeera), so I am not sure why   
   > such compression might have been used.   
   >   
   >   
   >>That isn't to say it wasn't fake.   
   >>   
   >>It is to say what you describe is not enough to claim it is fake on its   
   >>own merit.   
   >>   
   >>If it was a fake, wouldn't one think it obvious one would create a   
   >>recording that didn't sound obviously faked?  Especially these days?   
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   >   
   > Good question. Maybe they wanted to be 'in your face'? Look at the Nick   
   > Berg execution video, featuring a type of chair that is standard-issue   
   > in the US military, and that appears in photos of torture at Abu Graibh;   
   > and other elements that make that tape appear very dodgy.   
      
   I have the same type of chair on my back porch. Berg wasn't killed there.   
      
   >>I have tapes that are over thirty years old that I can make sound   
   >>better than new using modern noise-reduction and other repair   
   >>techniques.   
   >>   
   >>Why would someone want to put out something that 'sounds fake' to hide   
   >>a fake, eh?   
   >>   
   >>Unless, OMG, unless 'they' want to put out an obvious fake to hide some   
   >>other aspect of what's really going on there.   
   >   
   >   
   > Do McDonalds give a shit about people's health? Obviously not. But   
   > they're spending a lot on saying they do. Anyone without any sense can   
   > understand that they're lying. It truly is 'obvious'. But they say it   
   > anyway, and people are influenced by what they say. Rarely do they chuck   
   > advertising money in the bin.   
   >   
   > You can get something that's obvious to those who think for themselves,   
   > but when they tell people who don't, they get thought of as loonies.   
   > Cultural manipulation is very sophisticated, and the culture is very   
   > schizoid. Astroturf [*] groups, all kinds of stuff. Two aims go along   
   > with each other:   
   >   
   >     1) making it a real no-no, for most of the population,   
   >        even to question the propaganda message   
   >   
   >     2) making those who do think for themselves get increasingly   
   >        condemned as outcasts and pro-terrorist, displayers of   
   >        'anti-social behaviour', 'enemies of the people', 'n*gger-loving   
   >        commie queers'   
   >   
   > In short, 'would a real murderer have left so many clues'? Yeah, they   
   > may well have... Most of the audience is as mind-fucked as shit, and   
   > getting more so...   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > (*) For those who haven't met the term before, an 'astroturf' group is a   
   > fake grass-roots group.   
   >   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)