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   From: banana@REMOVE_THIS.borve.demon.co.uk   
      
   In article , Stephen Horgan   
    writes   
      
   >On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:18:54 -0000, "oO"  wrote:   
   >   
   >>Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'   
   >>By DOUG THOMPSON   
   >>Dec 9, 2005, 07:53   
      
      
      
   >This is a mix of  hearsay, spun with opinion, and then garnished with   
   >a few vaguely related factoids. It is essentially propaganda.   
      
   Colourful turns of phrase (although 'spun' together with 'garnished'   
   surely involves the mixing of metaphors, but never mind). But now look   
   what you say next:   
      
   >What would you be posting the day after another major terrorist   
   >atrocity on American soil?   
      
   What, committed by the US government or a faction with major influence   
   over it? Or committed by one of its rivals for the spoils?   
      
   I'll tell you what the US government (and for that matter any other   
   government) would be doing. They'd be propagandising.   
      
   What would you have done, the day after the Reichstag fire? Stuck up   
   notices condemning as 'enemies of the people' everyone who criticised   
   the poor government? That's practically what you just did.   
      
   Maybe going away and thinking about stuff a bit would do you some good.   
      
   The rulers do NOT uphold the general interest, not ever, and regardless   
   of how many people they, or other capitalist factions, slaughter in the   
   street.   
      
   Their war effort = mass murder.   
   Their statements = whatever suits their purposes.   
      
   Is that really so difficult to understand?   
      
   Disagree? OK, so please assume for a moment that what I say is true. Now   
   tell me how you'd manage to REALISE it was true, given where your head's   
   currently at. How would you know if a government, for example, served a   
   small group of rulers, and pretended to its mind-befuddled 'masses' that   
   it 'served the people'? How would you know if it carried out terror   
   attacks on its 'own' territory, and blamed them in its own mass media on   
   another party, so as to 'justify' its war effort and the ramping up of   
   fascist oppression? How would you know?   
      
   --   
   banana     "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you   
               give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to   
               Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the   
               rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)