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|    Torture is built into the system    |
|    18 Dec 05 15:01:12    |
      XPost: uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.british, alt.conspiracy       XPost: alt.conspiracy.new-world-order, alt.america, alt.conspira       y.america-at-war       XPost: us.politics       From: oO@oO.com              Alex Callinicos              Torture is built into the system       The current debate about torture is an astonishing symptom of how a       civilization can regress morally and politically despite the technological       advances it may make.              For the Enlightenment of the 18th century, torture was one of the       barbarities of the old absolutist regimes that the great bourgeois       revolutions were to sweep away.              The Eighth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, adopted in       1791, which forbade "cruel and unusual punishments", was a product of that       era. Yet now we have Dick Cheney, vice-president of the US under that same       constitution, mounting a fierce battle in the Senate in defence of the right       of the CIA to use torture.              George Bush says the US "doesn't do torture". But in August 2002 his       satirically named department of justice issued a legal opinion which said       (according to the summary in the New York Times) "interrogation methods just       short of those that might cause pain comparable to 'organ failure,       impairment of bodily function or even death' could be allowable without       being considered torture".              Charles Krauthammer, a leading US neo-conservative commentator, is less       mealy mouthed.              Writing last week in the Weekly Standard, he argues that there are "very       real cases in which we are morally permitted-indeed morally compelled" to       torture terrorist suspects.              He also gloats over the torture meted out to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, an       al-Qaida leader:              "There is water-boarding, a terrifying and deeply shocking torture technique       in which the prisoner has his face exposed to water in a way that gives the       feeling of drowning. According to CIA sources cited by ABC News, Khalid       Sheikh Mohammed 'was able to last between two and two and a half minutes       before begging to confess'."              The recent revelations that the CIA has been using airports around Europe as       stop-offs for flights carrying prisoners for torture in so called "black       sites"-secret prisons-in central and Eastern Europe and the Middle East       couldn't have been worse timed for the Bush administration.              They came as secretary of state Condoleezza Rice was setting off on a       European tour. This was intended as a continuation of the efforts that Bush       and Rice have been making to woo European governments since his re-election.              The Bush administration seemed to have recognised it can't run the world       without the help of the European Union (EU) as junior partners. Nato, under       European leadership, is due to take over responsibility for the occupation       of Afghanistan.              The torture flight revelations threatened to reopen and deepen the divide       between the US and the EU. Rice initially said the US respects the       sovereignty of its allies, implying that European intelligence agencies had       known what was going on.              But she was forced to beat a retreat, issuing a statement in Ukraine last       week that US personnel were bound by the UN convention against torture       whether they were based at home or abroad. The US state department spun this       as a policy shift.              Previously the Bush administration had claimed the convention didn't govern       its activities outside the US. The White House seemed to be ditching Cheney       and trying to negotiate a deal with senator John McCain. He has proposed       legislation imposing an absolute ban on US personnel using torture.              This apparent retreat by the Bush administration is a reflection of its       growing domestic unpopularity and its international isolation. Like its       failure to sabotage the Montreal conference on climate change, it shows the       depth of the international crisis of legitimacy the US is suffering.              But the shift was more symbolic than real. Rice's statement implied that the       administration still believes itself not to be legally bound by the       convention against torture, but merely chooses to observe it as a matter of       policy. The whole point of "extraordinary renditions" is to sub contract       torture by flying prisoners to dictatorships where the pain is inflicted by       non-US personnel anyway.              Torture is an instrument of imperial rule, used by the US and its clients to       maintain global domination. The only way to free the world of this barbarity       is to get rid of the system responsible for it.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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